Pentax Full-Frame, DFA* 70-200mm, DFA 150-450mm Announced

spinach · 02-05-2015, 05:39 PM

Originally posted by drougge

If they really wanted to make users of old glass happy they'd include not just an aperture feeler but also a pusher for M42 stop down. (I don't think you can put feelers for open aperture metering on modern M42 lenses in a K mount, but the stop down pin isn't in the same place as anything else.)

i don't mind opening up for composition and focus before stopping down for metering -- i've gotten pretty used to it by now, between the k1000 and k-01 i use it on.

rawr · 02-05-2015, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by clackers

this mode just crops the image

Quote:

this mode just optionally crops the image

Fixed that for you.

That's what happens with every single FF system that implements a crop mode. Pentax will also no doubt make it optional.

**clackers** · 02-05-2015, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Fixed that for you.

That's what happens with every single FF system that implements a crop mode. Pentax will also no doubt make it optional.

Sure. I'd never buy it otherwise.

vinceloc · 02-05-2015, 06:55 PM - **1 Like**

Glad I invested in these before their production in K-mount was stopped...

GeneV · 02-05-2015, 07:50 PM

Originally posted by mikeodial

When I purchased my A6000 yesterday the camera rep is going to change his M9 for an A7. He rented one and with his Leica glass on it and says its better than the M9. This is from someone who has only used Leica for 30 plus years! The feeling of working with a smaller camera is interesting, and perhaps that (plus image quality) is one reason so many have stayed with the Leica brand. I regret selling the K-01 in many ways, I love the way it feels and it's so solid and the sensor is great of course. But it's slow/bad AF, no OVF, slow to write to cards and doesn't fit in a pocket as easily as the A6000. The final test, my wife could not use it in auto mode. It had to go.

I had the same spousal issue with the K01. She didn't like it. She liked the Panny LX7. She likes the A6000.

The fact that I can put my 40 or so Pentax lenses and the Zeiss lenses from my wife's old Contax on the A6000 does help with the lack of lenses for the Sony. My dream Pentax mirrorless would allow the use of K mount lenses with full AF, but would allow the mount or adapter to be removed, allowing adapters for all kinds of lenses. This is essentially what Sony did when it made an adapter for the E mount which allows A Mount (DSLR) lenses to be used with AF.

rrstuff · 02-05-2015, 07:51 PM

????????HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mmF4.5-5.6ED DC AW ???? !!! ?????? !!! - ??????????by????????

I don't know if this was posted, sorry if it was. There are a lot of pictures of 150-450 that many of us would be interested in seeing.

**Ironwolf50** · 02-05-2015, 08:17 PM

I had a K-3 delivered the day before yesterday; because a full frame was not announced at the last big show. I am p.o'd.

kadajawi · 02-05-2015, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by Gimbal

Perhaps, but it did say " EMBEDDED FLASH : No EXTERNAL FLASH". I would guess that means there is a built in flash, but no flash shoe for an external flash. But it could just as well be the other way around.

The embedded flash part has a :, so what follows belongs to that. No embedded flash.

As for being third... That is optimistic. I think Samsung will be third eventually. They have a ton of money. Great engineers. A brand that is recognized by consumers. Big marketing budget. Seems dedicated to the photography sector. A good reputation for photos and videos would help them sell phones too. They develop and manufacture all major components for a camera. The sensor. The processor. The displays. The EVFs. And are usually class leading. I remember an interview with JVC and Samsung, and they talked about how great HEVC is, but that it is currently impossible to create an encoder for mobile devices. They produce professional video gear and can't do it. The Samsung guy didn't say anything, wrong department I guess. He could have said that they managed to do it already.

Sony is also a good contender, but financially not so strong.

Pentax depends on Samsung or Sony for their parts, so that immediately leaves them at disadvantage.

Chaos_Realm · 02-05-2015, 09:34 PM

Originally posted by kadajawi

Pentax depends on Samsung or Sony for their parts, so that immediately leaves them at disadvantage.

That said Pentax have been able to take the tech from the above companies and tweak to milk more performance out of it. Plus they are in the situation where they are not stuck using one or the other. Sony engineers would get the boot right pronto if they tried to put a samsung sensor in their cameras & same goes for samsung.

dfujevec · 02-05-2015, 10:45 PM

You pentax people better start to visit gym, because this two lenses are huge. They are considerably heavier than Canikon lenses. I was using Canon 70-200 f2,8 II IS on some occasion and it is not light at all, but this one from Pentax weights another 25% more.
My friend said yesterday, Pentax has SR in body for free, but charges that on every lens separately.

**sergysergy** · 02-05-2015, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by dfujevec

You pentax people better start to visit gym, because this two lenses are huge. They are considerably heavier than Canikon lenses. I was using Canon 70-200 f2,8 II IS on some occasion and it is not light at all, but this one from Pentax weights another 25% more.
My friend said yesterday, Pentax has SR in body for free, but charges that on every lens separately.

I like the gym

JinDesu · 02-05-2015, 11:00 PM

I carry my k-3 with battery grip and Tamron 70-200 with one hand on the side. I think I'll be fine.

zapp · 02-05-2015, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by Biro

I forgot to ask in my earlier post: Does this officially mean Pentax isn't doomed any more?

We still have only a mockup camera and two lenses that are not availbale yet. The specs of the 70-200 are not impressive, quite heavy, maybe a little less than the Canon/Nikon, but what makes Pentax FF special compared to others these days? Pentax stands for small cameras with great/unique features and a bunch of small fixed focal length lenses. In camera SR and weather sealing are important as well.

There is only a single D-FA lens availbale right now, two more to come. The FA line is suffering from early 90's design... Pentax is not there yet.

---------- Post added 06-02-15 at 07:52 AM ----------

Originally posted by Ironwolf50

I had a K-3 delivered the day before yesterday; because a full frame was not announced at the last big show. I am p.o'd.

FF was obvious to come and is not here yet. The real camera will show up early 2016 and requires many more lenses to actully make people happy.
Would you rather wait for another year to pay double for a camera with less lenses available? K3 is still a nice camera if you want full frame right now, buy somewhere else.

Vylen · 02-06-2015, 12:00 AM

Wow, negative much?

**Digitalis** · 02-06-2015, 12:05 AM

Originally posted by zapp

The specs of the 70-200 are not impressive

The MTF charts of the 70-200mm f/2.8 are very impressive - if they are accurate, this lens will give Canon, Nikon and Sigma a new standard to meet. IF it performs well who cares if it is a bit on the heavy side - it looks very solidly built, which is great.

Originally posted by zapp

There is only a single D-FA lens availbale(sic) right now, two more to come. The FA line is suffering from early 90's design... Pentax is not there yet.

Canon is still producing lenses that have optical designs that date from the late 70s, Nikon also have a few lenses that are based on designs from that era too. Pentax still has quite a few unique FA lenses that will provide excellent image quality on a FX format sensor - let us not forget the excellent trio of FA limited lenses.

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02-05-2015, 05:39 PM	#316
spinach Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: san diego, ca Posts: 114	Originally posted by drougge If they really wanted to make users of old glass happy they'd include not just an aperture feeler but also a pusher for M42 stop down. (I don't think you can put feelers for open aperture metering on modern M42 lenses in a K mount, but the stop down pin isn't in the same place as anything else.) i don't mind opening up for composition and focus before stopping down for metering -- i've gotten pretty used to it by now, between the k1000 and k-01 i use it on.

02-05-2015, 05:56 PM	#317
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by clackers this mode just crops the image Quote: this mode just optionally crops the image Fixed that for you. That's what happens with every single FF system that implements a crop mode. Pentax will also no doubt make it optional.

02-05-2015, 06:27 PM	#318
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by rawr Fixed that for you. That's what happens with every single FF system that implements a crop mode. Pentax will also no doubt make it optional. Sure. I'd never buy it otherwise.

02-05-2015, 06:55 PM - 1 Like	#319
vinceloc Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Philippines Photos: Gallery Posts: 367	Glad I invested in these before their production in K-mount was stopped...

02-05-2015, 07:50 PM	#320
GeneV Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Albuquerque NM Photos: Albums Posts: 9,830	Originally posted by mikeodial When I purchased my A6000 yesterday the camera rep is going to change his M9 for an A7. He rented one and with his Leica glass on it and says its better than the M9. This is from someone who has only used Leica for 30 plus years! The feeling of working with a smaller camera is interesting, and perhaps that (plus image quality) is one reason so many have stayed with the Leica brand. I regret selling the K-01 in many ways, I love the way it feels and it's so solid and the sensor is great of course. But it's slow/bad AF, no OVF, slow to write to cards and doesn't fit in a pocket as easily as the A6000. The final test, my wife could not use it in auto mode. It had to go. I had the same spousal issue with the K01. She didn't like it. She liked the Panny LX7. She likes the A6000. The fact that I can put my 40 or so Pentax lenses and the Zeiss lenses from my wife's old Contax on the A6000 does help with the lack of lenses for the Sony. My dream Pentax mirrorless would allow the use of K mount lenses with full AF, but would allow the mount or adapter to be removed, allowing adapters for all kinds of lenses. This is essentially what Sony did when it made an adapter for the E mount which allows A Mount (DSLR) lenses to be used with AF.

02-05-2015, 07:51 PM	#321
rrstuff Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Pasadena, CA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,126	????????HD PENTAX-D FA 150-450mmF4.5-5.6ED DC AW ???? !!! ?????? !!! - ??????????by???????? I don't know if this was posted, sorry if it was. There are a lot of pictures of 150-450 that many of us would be interested in seeing.

02-05-2015, 08:17 PM	#322
Ironwolf50 Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Boise, Idaho Posts: 14	I had a K-3 delivered the day before yesterday; because a full frame was not announced at the last big show. I am p.o'd.

02-05-2015, 08:56 PM	#323
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Originally posted by Gimbal Perhaps, but it did say " EMBEDDED FLASH : No EXTERNAL FLASH". I would guess that means there is a built in flash, but no flash shoe for an external flash. But it could just as well be the other way around. The embedded flash part has a :, so what follows belongs to that. No embedded flash. As for being third... That is optimistic. I think Samsung will be third eventually. They have a ton of money. Great engineers. A brand that is recognized by consumers. Big marketing budget. Seems dedicated to the photography sector. A good reputation for photos and videos would help them sell phones too. They develop and manufacture all major components for a camera. The sensor. The processor. The displays. The EVFs. And are usually class leading. I remember an interview with JVC and Samsung, and they talked about how great HEVC is, but that it is currently impossible to create an encoder for mobile devices. They produce professional video gear and can't do it. The Samsung guy didn't say anything, wrong department I guess. He could have said that they managed to do it already. Sony is also a good contender, but financially not so strong. Pentax depends on Samsung or Sony for their parts, so that immediately leaves them at disadvantage.

02-05-2015, 09:34 PM	#324
Chaos_Realm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,251	Originally posted by kadajawi Pentax depends on Samsung or Sony for their parts, so that immediately leaves them at disadvantage. That said Pentax have been able to take the tech from the above companies and tweak to milk more performance out of it. Plus they are in the situation where they are not stuck using one or the other. Sony engineers would get the boot right pronto if they tried to put a samsung sensor in their cameras & same goes for samsung.

02-05-2015, 10:45 PM	#325
dfujevec Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Slovenija Photos: Gallery Posts: 145	You pentax people better start to visit gym, because this two lenses are huge. They are considerably heavier than Canikon lenses. I was using Canon 70-200 f2,8 II IS on some occasion and it is not light at all, but this one from Pentax weights another 25% more. My friend said yesterday, Pentax has SR in body for free, but charges that on every lens separately.

02-05-2015, 10:55 PM	#326
sergysergy Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,171	Originally posted by dfujevec You pentax people better start to visit gym, because this two lenses are huge. They are considerably heavier than Canikon lenses. I was using Canon 70-200 f2,8 II IS on some occasion and it is not light at all, but this one from Pentax weights another 25% more. My friend said yesterday, Pentax has SR in body for free, but charges that on every lens separately. I like the gym

02-05-2015, 11:00 PM	#327
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	I carry my k-3 with battery grip and Tamron 70-200 with one hand on the side. I think I'll be fine.

02-05-2015, 11:49 PM	#328
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,385	Originally posted by Biro I forgot to ask in my earlier post: Does this officially mean Pentax isn't doomed any more? We still have only a mockup camera and two lenses that are not availbale yet. The specs of the 70-200 are not impressive, quite heavy, maybe a little less than the Canon/Nikon, but what makes Pentax FF special compared to others these days? Pentax stands for small cameras with great/unique features and a bunch of small fixed focal length lenses. In camera SR and weather sealing are important as well. There is only a single D-FA lens availbale right now, two more to come. The FA line is suffering from early 90's design... Pentax is not there yet. ---------- Post added 06-02-15 at 07:52 AM ---------- Originally posted by Ironwolf50 I had a K-3 delivered the day before yesterday; because a full frame was not announced at the last big show. I am p.o'd. FF was obvious to come and is not here yet. The real camera will show up early 2016 and requires many more lenses to actully make people happy. Would you rather wait for another year to pay double for a camera with less lenses available? K3 is still a nice camera if you want full frame right now, buy somewhere else.

02-06-2015, 12:00 AM	#329
Vylen Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,262	Wow, negative much?

02-06-2015, 12:05 AM	#330
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by zapp The specs of the 70-200 are not impressive The MTF charts of the 70-200mm f/2.8 are very impressive - if they are accurate, this lens will give Canon, Nikon and Sigma a new standard to meet. IF it performs well who cares if it is a bit on the heavy side - it looks very solidly built, which is great. Originally posted by zapp There is only a single D-FA lens availbale(sic) right now, two more to come. The FA line is suffering from early 90's design... Pentax is not there yet. Canon is still producing lenses that have optical designs that date from the late 70s, Nikon also have a few lenses that are based on designs from that era too. Pentax still has quite a few unique FA lenses that will provide excellent image quality on a FX format sensor - let us not forget the excellent trio of FA limited lenses.