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02-09-2015, 04:55 AM   #421
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mike.P Quote
According to Kenspo it is not a replacement for the K-S1.
They say its not. So i guess it isnt

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They always say that. K-x was supposed to be over and above K-m, K-r over and above K-x and so on.
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I'm not sure why is this so hard to comprehend... KS-1 is a replacement for K-500, KS-2 will replace K-50

Both K-500 and K-50 had the same sensor, only K-50 had WR, illuminated focus points, and that's about it

Now we have K-S1 with 20mpx sensor, same sensor will be in K-S2. Same AA filter simulation, same processing engine etc

Only that K-S2 will have WR, articulated screen, better handling - for more advanced users, built-in WiFi and NFC

To me, that sounds completely logical. K-3 is far from obsolete and will be the top level APS-C camera for at least another year.

When the FF comes out, it will be one step above K-3.
02-09-2015, 05:09 AM   #424
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QuoteOriginally posted by simon_199 Quote
We should be rather happy about that, the sensor on the K-S1 seems one of its strong points. Furthermore this implies a rather affordable camera, priced way below the K-3. I hope there are some interesting features that make it special, maybe the re-introduction of video SR (the flippy screen might suggest video capabilities as a strong selling point ? ). I also hope some missing features on the K-S1 are back, like the electronic level, or the little known sensor-shift composition adjustment that the K-50 had.

I'm not convinced that really the S stands for special and that this line will be run in parallel with a more traditional SLR line, in which we should expect a "true" K-50 replacement... this one has nothing unconventional. Probably it's just a change in the naming scheme, maybe the K-3 successor will be called the K-S3

If the street price will be on the same level of the current K-S1 pricing (overpriced in my opinion), then i'll buy this K-S2, with its new compact kit lens which is a welcom addition for me as i don't have a single WR lens right now.
The K-3 had some big video improvements, and it was clearly aimed to appeal to videographers (to a certain extend). Yet they deactivated SR. So the problem is not the not trying or not caring, but the not understanding. I do hope they finally asked someone.

The K-S2 does look a bit flashy, unconventional. I could imagine that the K-50 successor will run in parallel, with similar hardware but a more conventional design. Less emphasis on WiFi, no LEDs, no brushed metal parts, ... maybe drop the flippy screen.

I really hope this isn't the K-50 successor. While it really could be, I liked the idea of a special line of cameras where they can experiment. Turning that into the mainstream line is disappointing.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ZeljkoS Quote
I'm not sure why is this so hard to comprehend... KS-1 is a replacement for K-500, KS-2 will replace K-50

Both K-500 and K-50 had the same sensor, only K-50 had WR, illuminated focus points, and that's about it

Now we have K-S1 with 20mpx sensor, same sensor will be in K-S2. Same AA filter simulation, same processing engine etc

Only that K-S2 will have WR, articulated screen, better handling - for more advanced users, built-in WiFi and NFC

To me, that sounds completely logical. K-3 is far from obsolete and will be the top level APS-C camera for at least another year.

When the FF comes out, it will be one step above K-3.
It is because that is not what they said the K-S line would be. The K-01 should have been the K-S1, with the K-S1 getting the K-S2 designation. The next K-S can be entry level again, or something completely crazy. That was the beauty of the naming scheme.

The real K-500 successor should have received it's own letter, and so should the K-50 and K-3 successor, as well as the FF. Then you can just count them through, never running into confusing naming problems again. Eventually Pentax can be at K-S49, and it's not an issue.

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QuoteOriginally posted by kadajawi Quote
The K-3 had some big video improvements, and it was clearly aimed to appeal to videographers (to a certain extend). Yet they deactivated SR. So the problem is not the not trying or not caring, but the not understanding. I do hope they finally asked someone.

The K-S2 does look a bit flashy, unconventional. I could imagine that the K-50 successor will run in parallel, with similar hardware but a more conventional design. Less emphasis on WiFi, no LEDs, no brushed metal parts, ... maybe drop the flippy screen.

I really hope this isn't the K-50 successor. While it really could be, I liked the idea of a special line of cameras where they can experiment. Turning that into the mainstream line is disappointing.

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It is because that is not what they said the K-S line would be. The K-01 should have been the K-S1, with the K-S1 getting the K-S2 designation. The next K-S can be entry level again, or something completely crazy. That was the beauty of the naming scheme.

The real K-500 successor should have received it's own letter, and so should the K-50 and K-3 successor, as well as the FF. Then you can just count them through, never running into confusing naming problems again. Eventually Pentax can be at K-S49, and it's not an issue.
I don't recall the Ricoh representative saying the "S" and "non-S" lines would run in parallel, feature-wise. To me, it's increasingly looking like the "S" line will be entry level and mid-range which means the K-S2 ultimately replaces the K-50. The non-S line is shaping up to be higher level offerings. So, yes, the "S" designates an alternate design approach but I think the distinction is more than just that. If fact, we already saw a transition in this thinking with the K-30 gaining colors beyond black and then the K-50 came out in multiple colors on it's launch date.
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Pentax K-S2 will be announced tomorrow February 10th in Japan (tonight in Europe, this afternoon in the USA).

Some specifications:

- CMOS sensor with 20.12 million pixel (effective). No low-pass / AA filter
- PRIME MII Image processing engine
- Protected against dust and moisture; 100 seals
- Double dial
- Full HD video
- 77-segment metering
- Vari-angle swing-out LCD monitor
- Shutter button appropriate for selfies
- AF system: SAFOX X. AF array with 11 sensors, of which 9 are cross-type. Sensitivity -3EV
- Select-Area Expansion and AF-Hold features
- Highest sensitivity: ISO51,200
- In-camera shake correction
- Low-pass selector
- Supports O-GPS1 GPS unit
- Optical viewfinder with 100% coverage
- Fastest shutter speed: 1/6,000 sec.
- Continuous shooting 5.5 frames / sec.
- Wi-Fi built-in. Integration with smartphone

Source: Digital Camera Info http://digicame-info.com/2015/02/k-s2-1.html


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Sounds like a very capable DSLR.

If I didn't buy K-5 IIs on Black Friday, I would be looking at this camera definitely
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QuoteOriginally posted by IchabodCrane Quote
I don't recall the Ricoh representative saying the "S" and "non-S" lines would run in parallel, feature-wise. To me, it's increasingly looking like the "S" line will be entry level and mid-range which means the K-S2 ultimately replaces the K-50. The non-S line is shaping up to be higher level offerings. So, yes, the "S" designates an alternate design approach but I think the distinction is more than just that. If fact, we already saw a transition in this thinking with the K-30 gaining colors beyond black and then the K-50 came out in multiple colors on it's launch date.
I believe there is a market for traditional entry level DSLRs, such as the K-30 and K-50. Yes, they have some design to them, but the K-S1 goes far beyond that.


What confuses matters is that the K-S2 is so... "conventional". I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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5.5 FPS puts it above the two new Canons. No AA filter means it likely has the AA simulator on the k-3. Solid specs, hopefully at a competitive price to the recent Canon cams.
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Differences form the K-s1 selectable low pass, SAFOX-X instead of IX (aside from the obvious differences we already knew about)
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K-S1 also has AA simulator ( selectable low pass ), same as K-3 and now K-S2
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Gps unit built-in?
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Some specifications:
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- GPS unit O-GPS1
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Built-in astrotracer function?!?
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Gps unit built-in?
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Built-in astrotracer function?!?
Supports O-GPS1 GPS unit

(I have corrected my previous post)
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Gps unit built-in?
I'm afraid not. It's compatible with O-GPS1. That's all it means.
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