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02-19-2015, 09:15 AM   #751
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QuoteOriginally posted by LeGuillotine Quote
So You think that there is REAL SR for video?
Actually i meant the contrary, since no such a feature (mechanical SR during video) was mentioned in the official press release, nor in the official spec sheet on Pentax website

I don't know if it absence has also been officially confirmed by other sources

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They removed the SR in video due to noise of she SR system being recorded. However, they should have left it enabled, because if you want better quality sound, just use the mic input.

Even better, they should do something in software, like IF the mic is connected, enable hardware SR. If not connected, use fake SR. Or just have it selectable in menus, so no one can complain about recording noise from SR.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kadajawi Quote
Thanks for the link, that's awesome.
Full credit to @i83N for finding it.

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As for the being thicker bit... it can also be that the screen has gotten thinner... I mean, AFAIK the thinnest smartphone right now is 4.7mm thick. 4.7. And they had to fit a battery, motherboard with all the components, a camera, etc. within that thing. Plus a plastic casing. The second place goes to one that has a metal casing and is 4.75mm thick. And the glass on the screen should be around 0.3mm in both cases. So I'm not too surprised. Also if you look at the photos it looks like the screen sticks out a bit, next to the part on the right where the buttons are.
If anything, the overall screen is thicker - the frame on the tilt screen looks pretty thick - I'd say at least 7mm, plus the plastic back of the camera, and there's a little space between the back and screen when closed. The screen only sticks out a couple mm. The old screen did have a pretty wide air gap between the LCD and glass. It's possible they just replaced the existing screen with the tilt screen without squeezing anything else, but it's tight.
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QuoteOriginally posted by simon_199 Quote
It isn't mentioned as a feature in the official specs, so i guess it isn't present, otherwise it would have been advertised
Yeah, but we are talking about Pentax here. They don't realize that other brands advertise that feature because people want it. They are probably too ashamed of it, if they decided to include it.

It used to be selectable in the menu... and they could just add another menu point. Sensor shift SR, movie SR, no SR. Olympus offers sensor shift SR, sensor shift + movie SR, no SR. That's how you do it... in that case even movie SR makes sense. IMHO a simple warning... "Keep in mind that the SR mechanism may generate noises that can be heard through the INTERNAL microphone" would be more than enough. Users don't get surprised when it does appear, and those who want it can use it.

Btw., I have a Canon point & shoot that has (lens based) SR for video, and my, that system gets picked up by the microphone! Even though the stabilization isn't as efficient, and the camera has no mic inputs. Guess what... Canon left it in there. And despite the noise it makes, and it's actually noticeable, unlike what the K-5 does, and the not so effectiveness of the system, and the fact that thanks to a CCD sensor there is no jell-o-vision anyway, I leave it on. It still helps.

@Parallax: I didn't start it this time. I promise! (And I am not the only one who cares :P ).

Btw., Pentax said this is their best DSLR for video as of now, I'd like to know why they think so. The encoder seems (on paper) no different from what the K-3 has, it doesn't have a headphone out, it can't have more controls than the K-3, ... so what exactly makes this better? Only the screen? If it had sensor shift SR, then yes, if it had higher bitrates, yes again, but I don't see anything like that yet.

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Se can only hope it has been left out of the spec sheet my mistake then

However, are we sure that noise is the real reason it was disabled and not only what pentax told us ? I mean maybe there are other more "shameful" technical reasons like i don't know...overheating with prolonged use ? Or battery drain...or perhaps durability concerns...that forced the engineers to disable it, or to rework the system completely. Since there are some cameras with mechanical SR enabled, and to the best of my knowledge there are no more failures than then norm...i guess noise is the real reason then
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QuoteOriginally posted by kadajawi Quote
and they could just add another menu point. Sensor shift SR, movie SR, no SR
This is best way to do it, but I little pessimistic about..

Anyway I'm having bad GUgF syptoms (Gear Upgrade Fever).
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QuoteOriginally posted by simon_199 Quote
Se can only hope it has been left out of the spec sheet my mistake then

However, are we sure that noise is the real reason it was disabled and not only what pentax told us ? I mean maybe there are other more "shameful" technical reasons like i don't know...overheating with prolonged use ? Or battery drain...or perhaps durability concerns...that forced the engineers to disable it, or to rework the system completely. Since there are some cameras with mechanical SR enabled, and to the best of my knowledge there are no more failures than then norm...i guess noise is the real reason then
It's possible, I suppose, I was wondering about that too. The official reason makes little sense... but my K-5 works, and I have shot a lot of video with it, always with SR, and some of them while walking or even running. My camera works. Battery drain... it lasts literally forever. 500 photos? 40 minutes of video? Still got enough battery left... and that was with one of those old sensors that ran pretty hot...
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One thing I find lacking is the fact that Pentax has not included a wired remote control socket on the KS2, I have that on the K30 and use it a lot. What a shame. By the way, has anyone seen the remote control application "Image Sync" somewhere, I'd like to look at it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by THoog Quote
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If anything, the overall screen is thicker - the frame on the tilt screen looks pretty thick - I'd say at least 7mm, plus the plastic back of the camera, and there's a little space between the back and screen when closed. The screen only sticks out a couple mm. The old screen did have a pretty wide air gap between the LCD and glass. It's possible they just replaced the existing screen with the tilt screen without squeezing anything else, but it's tight.
I keeping my eyes constantly M.Kurosawas page, because he has some kind of accreditation from japanes camera manufactures that give him acsses to prototypes of new cameras models sometimes even befor officiall presentation.
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I keeping my eyes constantly M.Kurosawas page, because he has some kind of accreditation from japanes camera manufactures that give him acsses to prototypes of new cameras models sometimes even befor officiall presentation.
The clear K-S2 probably has issues with light leaks, but I still want one!

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The clear body is quite fascinating. You can see how densely packed the innards are. I know one member was redesigning the K-S2 to suit his/her tastes but if you look at the LCD screen it would not be possible to shift the buttons slightly to the left without using a different (smaller) LCD screen. And you can see how much more size the weather sealing adds. The air-gapless screen might have something to do with the design too. I wouldn't be surprised if the LCD screen is a standard item from some supplier. I looked at some Canons at Costco the other day and the frame on the LCD was about the same dimensions - just the wider frame area was on the hinge side.
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The clear body is quite fascinating. You can see how densely packed the innards are. I know one member was redesigning the K-S2 to suit his/her tastes but if you look at the LCD screen it would not be possible to shift the buttons slightly to the left without using a different (smaller) LCD screen. And you can see how much more size the weather sealing adds. The air-gapless screen might have something to do with the design too. I wouldn't be surprised if the LCD screen is a standard item from some supplier. I looked at some Canons at Costco the other day and the frame on the LCD was about the same dimensions - just the wider frame area was on the hinge side.
Yeah, the LCD is probably an off-the-shelf component from the same parts maker Pentax has been using for years.

The question is: pictures of a K-S2 with a clear shell / no shell - are they art, or porn?
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What I wonder is why they picked such a screen.

Just look at these photos of the S5 OLED screen.
https://hytparts.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/samsung-galaxy-s5-lcd-teardown-1.jpg
https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/OmB2r3bgXHGJChNY

And another OLED screen:
http://mewsview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/samsung-flexible-oled-android...ne-display.jpg

These, mounted to a stiff metal plate and with a pane of gorilla glass on top (edge to edge), would make for a pretty nice screen IMHO... and one that is very thin. Some water sealing around the edges and done. It would look sexy, be thin and won't need a big border (the clear K-S2 IMHO shows that the LCD screen takes plenty of space).

As for image quality... yes, those Samsung displays are very saturated, but just because they _can_ be very saturated it doesn't mean they have to be all the time. The advantage is also a much bigger range of brightnesses (great for shooting at night), and, perhaps, bigger dynamic range. These displays are also ridiculously sharp. I can see the dots on my K-5 screen, I can't on say the Galaxy S5 screen).

So... any idea why they went for a conventional LCD screen, again? Samsung uses OLED screens on their cameras (though the main screen doesn't have a higher resolution than say the K-3...), but apart from them...
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That's easy: Engineers like to stick to what they know. (or in other words, engineers are by definition geeks, and geeks HATE change!) Pentax has probably been using the same vendor's screen since they went to 3" with the only change being the air-gap-less screen, which may have been an innovation from the vendor. Switching to a different brand/technology would probably require a bunch of redesign of support components and firmware. Trying to make engineers give up a screen that they know and like would be harder than oh, making photographers give up AA batteries.
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Erm. I consider myself a geek, and if I could I'd have a new phone every month. Or at least a new ROM. Or some other gadget. New toys to play with!

But yes, I can understand that they want to stick to what they have... camera makers seem rather conservative. I wonder how phone makers deal with it though... they are MUCH faster to adopt the latest technologies. They were quick to jump onto the OLED bandwagon... as soon as big enough screens could be produced. Sharp's IGZO screens that barely require a bezel? As soon as the tech became available, phone makers used it. And what happens when a phone maker makes cameras... which is what we see with Samsung. Will we constantly get the latest tech from them? Won't that make Pentax (and the others) seem not competitive when they keep using outdated technology?
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