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02-08-2015, 06:05 AM   #16
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Could you imagine if Pentax packed the new FF with something like 40-50MP and then threw in this sensor shift pixel multiplier? Those would be huge images! I would love to get those home after a long shoot and wait for awhile for them to load in LR! Worth the wait, 2015

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Could you imagine if Pentax packed the new FF with something like 40-50MP and then threw in this sensor shift pixel multiplier? Those would be huge images! I would love to get those home after a long shoot and wait for awhile for them to load in LR! Worth the wait, 2015
Kind of little brother of Hasselblad H5D-200c CMOS Multi-Shot: 50 MPix sensor, 200 Mpix pictures.
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I've seen a review of the new Olympus and the amount of added detail this solution provides in their implementation is substantial. It's an interesting idea i hope we'll see it on the next Pentax cameras. Maybe already on the new K-S2 ?
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now Pixel Shift... was Turbulence + Guiding Errors

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before Olympus... was Hasselblad :
www.dpreview.com/articles/4410648565/hasselblad-unveils-pixel-shifting-200mp-h5d-200c-ms

and before Hasselblad... was Apple first ? :
Apple aiming to use image stabilization to create high-resolution images: Connect

No, before... was Astrophotography, where Turbulence and Guiding Errors randomly Shift your Pixels !
plus the Stacking techniques that : -1) increase the Resolution and -2) decrease the Noise
see those guys doing fine Mars, Jupiter and Saturn pics with just WebCams !
The Software since 2001 : www.astronomie.be/registax/

and also DeepSkyStacker Drizzle :
http://deepskystacker.free.fr/english/technical.htm#Drizzle





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QuoteOriginally posted by geo444 Quote
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before Olympus... was Hasselblad :
www.dpreview.com/articles/4410648565/hasselblad-unveils-pixel-shifting-200mp-h5d-200c-ms

and before Hasselblad... was Apple first ? :
Apple aiming to use image stabilization to create high-resolution images: Connect

No, before... was Astrophotography, where Turbulence and Guiding Errors randomly shift your Pixels !
plus the Stacking techniques that : -1) increase the Resolution and -2) decrease the Noise
see those guys doing fine Mars, Jupiter and Saturn pics with just WebCams !
The Software since 2001 : www.astronomie.be/registax/

and also DeepSkyStacker Drizzle :
DeepSkyStacker - Technical Info


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Probably will be of limited use in a lot of situations, but it is amazing all the little things you can do with software when you have in body image stabilization. Just try to do this with your in lens image stabilization...
I don't see a good reason why you couldn't do this with in-lens stabilization. You'd need to re-align the images so the process wouldn't be quite the same, but I don't see any other impediment? Maybe the camera can't control the in-lens stabilization?

There is software that combines multiple handheld images into one with higher resolution, or grabs multiple lower res frames from video and mashes it into one higher resolution frame. Some pretty neat processing is possible, I'm not sure of how the computational costs relate to in-camera processing power though.

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Do not forget the Ricoh RDC-7
Let's hope the processing time will be shorter!

http://www.ricoh.com/r_dc/support/brochure/pdf/rdc7.pdf


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Oly has a 2.5 multiplication factor, Hassy a 4x. This would be a nice addition (albeit restricted to tripod shooting of static scenes). The 36/90(or 154) mp FF would be revolutional.

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QuoteOriginally posted by BrianR Quote
I don't see a good reason why you couldn't do this with in-lens stabilization. You'd need to re-align the images so the process wouldn't be quite the same, but I don't see any other impediment? Maybe the camera can't control the in-lens stabilization?
Because you'd need to shift the whole lens? (I may be completely wrong, hence the question mark).
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This is really an interesting development. It would also be great to see someone reverse engineer this for older models where sensor images are not up to modern std.
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Shortly before K-3's announcement, there was already the rumour of an enhanced resolution through sensor shift as being a feature of the new model. May be some prototypes had this feature enabled but Ricoh Imaging eventually considered it was not finalised enough in 2013 to be incorporated in their flagship to come.

Remember also the interview of Mr Kohei Endo (Product Strategy Director, Marketing Division, Ricoh Imaging) by Digital Camera Watch at Christmas 2013, during which he made a reference to potential uses, still to be developed, of the high-precision sensor movement control allowed by the SR mechanism to further improve image quality:

http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/interview/20121010_564928.html

translated on this forum by Daikokuya https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/246044-interview-ch...ml#post2626224

"We can’t say for sure what application it is, but it’s possible to extract more features to add very detailed movement by the unit of micron momentarily. “Logically possible” doesn’t mean shooting good photos, so we are going to examine the function to be included in the real products by developing with various ideas.

(...)

We are going to look for our own value by making the SR much smaller, while improving the SR. We are going to expand the function into low-priced models, and include new factors into high-end models
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
Shortly before K-3's announcement, there was already the rumour of an enhanced resolution through sensor shift
There at least talks about that, indeed.
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so that’s why new FF is looking like 67...
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If they can do this for my K-3 I won't even look at an FF or MF. I only need hi res for landscape.
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If they can do this for my K-3 I won't even look at an FF or MF. I only need hi res for landscape.
I wonder when we'll reach the point of out-resolving the 24,000,000 FF lenses available from eBay, giving users who already own firmware-updated cameras their justification to invest in profitable, modern lenses?

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