Lens Maps Updated

sungibr · 02-11-2015, 04:12 AM

I liked the roadmap, so far.

One new wide zoom for DA. Three new zooms for the upcoming FF. A Pro and a Consumer. Nice!

I like the FA 50 and 35 to still in production. But they should upgrade those with the new coatings, aperture blades WR.

I wish Ricoh could re-release the FA 20-35, with new coatings, round aperture and, maybe, a DC AF. Would be awesome!

Also, my wishlist would be they reengineer the mechanics and AF for their 16-50 and 50-135. The optics are already good, but there are things about relliability that set many people away from those.

Last edited by sungibr; 02-11-2015 at 05:32 AM.

Mistral75 · 02-11-2015, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by ogl

There was new info that Tokina and Ricoh resume to cooperation in development of FF lenses.

Tokina Confirms Pentax Full-frame Under Development - CP+ 2013 | PentaxForums.com

"A Tokina employee revealed to us today at CP+ that Tokina has renewed their discussions with Pentax about reviving their lens collaboration as of late last year.

According to the employee, Pentax is reportedly developing a full-frame camera (he claims that a prototype already exists). He stated that all lenses developed will be re-branded under the Pentax name as it had been done in the past.

Talks had previously stalled after the Ricoh takeover in 2011, but Pentax has requested that Tokina still show new lens designs for possible collaboration. However, no Tokina prototype lenses have been made for the Pentax full-frame yet, and no deals have been finalized.

Tokina is an independent lens manufacturer who has co-designed lenses with Pentax; those lenses have been branded under the Tokina and Pentax names. Though Tokina no longer markets many of these lenses, most of these co-designs are still sold under the Pentax name."

**monochrome** · 02-11-2015, 08:38 AM

Originally posted by Daikokuya

Given a relatively small capability of Pentax's R&D, we can't expect too much.

If you know that to be true, OK. But how would you know that to be true? It's my impression that Ricoh is playing a serious game - establishing their cred as a real maker, not just a brand pusher. Until we learn differently I assume everything they produce for the professional FF is 'own-design' product.

In shared design products, the key is, who owns the design - the patent(s). Who pays money to license the design and who accepts money to license the design?

For 25 years Pentax received revenue from licensing at least parts of the SMC coating process. Did anyone ever sniff at every single other lens maker's (except Leica) optical coatings because they licensed SMC?

Was it "Sure - but it's just a rebadged Pentax coating - so big deal?" Was it "Sure - but it's the same coating as Nikon - so big deal?" No. It was whatever the maker branded the coating as, even if some to most to nearly all of the process was SMC. Except Pentax. At Pentax it was SMC.

D1N0 · 02-11-2015, 08:44 AM

The new telezooms have certainly not turned op in Tokina's line up.

thibs · 02-11-2015, 09:23 AM

Which btw could also be completely wrong...

Edit: Was replying to Mistral75 when network coverage broke.

banep · 02-11-2015, 11:39 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Tokina Confirms Pentax Full-frame Under Development - CP+ 2013 | PentaxForums.com

"A Tokina employee revealed to us today at CP+ that Tokina has renewed their discussions with Pentax about reviving their lens collaboration as of late last year.

According to the employee, Pentax is reportedly developing a full-frame camera (he claims that a prototype already exists). He stated that all lenses developed will be re-branded under the Pentax name as it had been done in the past.
."

I am 90% sure that new Pentax wide DA zoom lens, mentioned in a new roadmap, will be Tokina 12-28mm f/4 (excellent!) which is upgrade of Tokina 12-24mm rebranded also as Pentax DA 12-24mm.

It could be possible that D-FA wide zoom will also come from Tokina but I am not sure which Tokina lens will be rebranded. Upgrade of Tokina 17-35mm f/4 maybe.

Most of all I would like to see Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 rebranded as Pentax, but that probably won't happen.

thibs · 02-11-2015, 11:49 AM

I can see Ricoh rebranding for completing DA range, having their own efforts on FF. I frankly do not expect any rebranding for high end FF they need now. Kit lens also improbable because it would cost them way too much. Cooperation though possible but would tokina/tamron care about kit lens ? Dont think so.

If Pentax FF is alright, I expect more Sigma support within a year. Maybe Tammy then. Zeiss/Voitlander if we're lucky.

Zygonyx · 02-11-2015, 01:50 PM

Originally posted by banep

I am 90% sure that new Pentax wide DA zoom lens, mentioned in a new roadmap, will be Tokina 12-28mm f/4 (excellent!) which is upgrade of Tokina 12-24mm rebranded also as Pentax DA 12-24mm.

It could be possible that D-FA wide zoom will also come from Tokina but I am not sure which Tokina lens will be rebranded. Upgrade of Tokina 17-35mm f/4 maybe.

Most of all I would like to see Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 rebranded as Pentax, but that probably won't happen.

I would take your 2 assumptions ; and add a home-made 24-90mm f/4 for the kit lens (based on quite recent FA24-90/3.5-4.5)

**monochrome** · 02-11-2015, 02:10 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

and add a home-made 24-90mm f/4 for the kit lens (based on quite recent FA24-90/3.5-4.5)

That's been my thinking - that was a very nice lens.

jaad75 · 02-11-2015, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by banep

It could be possible that D-FA wide zoom will also come from Tokina but I am not sure which Tokina lens will be rebranded. Upgrade of Tokina 17-35mm f/4 maybe.

Tokina has a 16-28/2.8 and it says "large diameter" on a roadmap...

thibs · 02-12-2015, 12:25 AM

So ?
Does it mean a thing ?

Prakticant · 02-12-2015, 01:00 AM

Pals, as being a pirate I lost my eye and can't see: where is SMC DA 16-45mm/f4.0 ED AL on that map?
BTW very decent glass (besides noticeable pincushion distortions at wide angle).

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Originally posted by D1N0

jpg version

ogl · 02-12-2015, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by Prakticant

Pals, as being a pirate I lost my eye and can't see: where is SMC DA 16-45mm/f4.0 ED AL on that map?
BTW very decent glass (besides noticeable pincushion distortions at wide angle).

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discontinued

Prakticant · 02-12-2015, 04:16 AM

It would be nice to have discontinued lenses on the map

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Originally posted by ogl

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ogl · 02-12-2015, 05:07 AM

Originally posted by jaad75

Tokina has a 16-28/2.8 and it says "large diameter" on a roadmap...

not 15-30?
it's rather good lens
http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/595-tokina162828eosff

02-11-2015, 08:38 AM	#138
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Daikokuya Given a relatively small capability of Pentax's R&D, we can't expect too much. If you know that to be true, OK. But how would you know that to be true? It's my impression that Ricoh is playing a serious game - establishing their cred as a real maker, not just a brand pusher. Until we learn differently I assume everything they produce for the professional FF is 'own-design' product. In shared design products, the key is, who owns the design - the patent(s). Who pays money to license the design and who accepts money to license the design? For 25 years Pentax received revenue from licensing at least parts of the SMC coating process. Did anyone ever sniff at every single other lens maker's (except Leica) optical coatings because they licensed SMC? Was it "Sure - but it's just a rebadged Pentax coating - so big deal?" Was it "Sure - but it's the same coating as Nikon - so big deal?" No. It was whatever the maker branded the coating as, even if some to most to nearly all of the process was SMC. Except Pentax. At Pentax it was SMC. Last edited by monochrome; 02-11-2015 at 09:53 AM.

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02-11-2015, 04:12 AM	#136
sungibr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Sao Paulo Photos: Albums Posts: 149	I liked the roadmap, so far. One new wide zoom for DA. Three new zooms for the upcoming FF. A Pro and a Consumer. Nice! I like the FA 50 and 35 to still in production. But they should upgrade those with the new coatings, aperture blades WR. I wish Ricoh could re-release the FA 20-35, with new coatings, round aperture and, maybe, a DC AF. Would be awesome! Also, my wishlist would be they reengineer the mechanics and AF for their 16-50 and 50-135. The optics are already good, but there are things about relliability that set many people away from those. Last edited by sungibr; 02-11-2015 at 05:32 AM.

02-11-2015, 08:22 AM	#137
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by ogl There was new info that Tokina and Ricoh resume to cooperation in development of FF lenses. Tokina Confirms Pentax Full-frame Under Development - CP+ 2013 \| PentaxForums.com "A Tokina employee revealed to us today at CP+ that Tokina has renewed their discussions with Pentax about reviving their lens collaboration as of late last year. According to the employee, Pentax is reportedly developing a full-frame camera (he claims that a prototype already exists). He stated that all lenses developed will be re-branded under the Pentax name as it had been done in the past. Talks had previously stalled after the Ricoh takeover in 2011, but Pentax has requested that Tokina still show new lens designs for possible collaboration. However, no Tokina prototype lenses have been made for the Pentax full-frame yet, and no deals have been finalized. Tokina is an independent lens manufacturer who has co-designed lenses with Pentax; those lenses have been branded under the Tokina and Pentax names. Though Tokina no longer markets many of these lenses, most of these co-designs are still sold under the Pentax name."

02-11-2015, 08:44 AM	#139
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	The new telezooms have certainly not turned op in Tokina's line up.

02-11-2015, 09:23 AM	#140
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Which btw could also be completely wrong... Edit: Was replying to Mistral75 when network coverage broke.

02-11-2015, 11:39 AM	#141
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by Mistral75 Tokina Confirms Pentax Full-frame Under Development - CP+ 2013 \| PentaxForums.com "A Tokina employee revealed to us today at CP+ that Tokina has renewed their discussions with Pentax about reviving their lens collaboration as of late last year. According to the employee, Pentax is reportedly developing a full-frame camera (he claims that a prototype already exists). He stated that all lenses developed will be re-branded under the Pentax name as it had been done in the past. ." I am 90% sure that new Pentax wide DA zoom lens, mentioned in a new roadmap, will be Tokina 12-28mm f/4 (excellent!) which is upgrade of Tokina 12-24mm rebranded also as Pentax DA 12-24mm. It could be possible that D-FA wide zoom will also come from Tokina but I am not sure which Tokina lens will be rebranded. Upgrade of Tokina 17-35mm f/4 maybe. Most of all I would like to see Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 rebranded as Pentax, but that probably won't happen.

02-11-2015, 11:49 AM	#142
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	I can see Ricoh rebranding for completing DA range, having their own efforts on FF. I frankly do not expect any rebranding for high end FF they need now. Kit lens also improbable because it would cost them way too much. Cooperation though possible but would tokina/tamron care about kit lens ? Dont think so. If Pentax FF is alright, I expect more Sigma support within a year. Maybe Tammy then. Zeiss/Voitlander if we're lucky.

02-11-2015, 01:50 PM	#143
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by banep I am 90% sure that new Pentax wide DA zoom lens, mentioned in a new roadmap, will be Tokina 12-28mm f/4 (excellent!) which is upgrade of Tokina 12-24mm rebranded also as Pentax DA 12-24mm. It could be possible that D-FA wide zoom will also come from Tokina but I am not sure which Tokina lens will be rebranded. Upgrade of Tokina 17-35mm f/4 maybe. Most of all I would like to see Tamron 15-30 f/2.8 rebranded as Pentax, but that probably won't happen. I would take your 2 assumptions ; and add a home-made 24-90mm f/4 for the kit lens (based on quite recent FA24-90/3.5-4.5)

02-11-2015, 02:10 PM	#144
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Zygonyx and add a home-made 24-90mm f/4 for the kit lens (based on quite recent FA24-90/3.5-4.5) That's been my thinking - that was a very nice lens.

02-11-2015, 04:04 PM	#145
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by banep It could be possible that D-FA wide zoom will also come from Tokina but I am not sure which Tokina lens will be rebranded. Upgrade of Tokina 17-35mm f/4 maybe. Tokina has a 16-28/2.8 and it says "large diameter" on a roadmap...

02-12-2015, 12:25 AM	#146
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	So ? Does it mean a thing ?

02-12-2015, 01:00 AM	#147
Prakticant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 274	Pals, as being a pirate I lost my eye and can't see: where is SMC DA 16-45mm/f4.0 ED AL on that map? BTW very decent glass (besides noticeable pincushion distortions at wide angle). ----- Originally posted by D1N0 jpg version

02-12-2015, 01:14 AM	#148
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Prakticant Pals, as being a pirate I lost my eye and can't see: where is SMC DA 16-45mm/f4.0 ED AL on that map? BTW very decent glass (besides noticeable pincushion distortions at wide angle). ----- discontinued

02-12-2015, 04:16 AM	#149
Prakticant Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 274	It would be nice to have discontinued lenses on the map ----- Originally posted by ogl discontinued

02-12-2015, 05:07 AM	#150
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by jaad75 Tokina has a 16-28/2.8 and it says "large diameter" on a roadmap... not 15-30? it's rather good lens http://www.photozone.de/canon_eos_ff/595-tokina162828eosff