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kenspo · 05-28-2015, 01:28 AM

Originally posted by fs999

41 would be more correct if they reuse the K-3 AF sensor... (27 x 1.5 crop)

But they won't. Spanking new sensor.

D1N0 · 05-28-2015, 01:39 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by kenspo

But they won't. Spanking new sensor.

Stop spanking it and put it in the camera!

kenspo · 05-28-2015, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Stop spanking it and put it in the camera!

Damn it! I knew i forgot something

If only it was my job..haha

rawr · 05-28-2015, 03:38 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

But they won't. Spanking new sensor.

Excellent news!

As you can see, the K-3 AF sensor chip was designed to support a specific AF point array and AF coverage profile. Coverage on the right and left edge of the frame isn't extensive, however, and there are probably not enough horizontal and vertical sensor strips to offer support for the kind of AF system Pentax might want on a high-end FF.

Simply to illustrate what the AF on a Pentax FF might look like, the Canon 5D3 AF sensor (which looks a lot like the 1Dx and 7D2 AF sensor) supports lots more than 27 AF points and has a very different pattern and coverage profile compared to the K-3 AF chip.

As the 645Z diagram illustrates, by simply directly inserting the K-3 AF to a larger format you may end up with a very small AF coverage. With all this talk of a new AF system, AF patents etc, it sounds like Pentax dont want that.

Last edited by rawr; 05-28-2015 at 03:44 AM.

kenspo · 05-28-2015, 03:53 AM

You have some valid points here! I know what sensor that will be used, but i dont have any info on AF-system yet. But it would surprise me a lot of they didn't expand it

IOO · 05-28-2015, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

You have some valid points here! I know what sensor that will be used, but i dont have any info on AF-system yet. But it would surprise me a lot of they didn't expand it

Do you mean that you know what kind of sensor that Pentax will use? 24MP, 36MP og 50MP?

kenspo · 05-28-2015, 04:17 AM

Originally posted by IOO

Do you mean that you know what kind of sensor that Pentax will use? 24MP, 36MP og 50MP?

Yes, i do

But i won't risk anything by saying too much..sorry!

Krizu · 05-28-2015, 04:24 AM

What is really interesting for me is if they're going to implement a proper highspeed tethering solution. The current ones with wifi cards and/or 3rd party solutions are just not reliable and functional at all.

D1N0 · 05-28-2015, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by IOO

Do you mean that you know what kind of sensor that Pentax will use? 24MP, 36MP og 50MP?

og means and in Norwegian. Do you think it has three sensors

?

kenspo · 05-28-2015, 04:51 AM

Haha..didnt notice that one before now! I have only heard about one

Shanti · 05-28-2015, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

og means and in Norwegian. Do you think it has three sensors

?

I say a 50 model & 24 model come out,so D750 & the new Canon whatever have some good competition ,& both with pixel shift ,but then a 50MP would hurt 645Z sales maybe??

Wired · 05-28-2015, 06:18 AM

50mp is extremely unlikely. Never say never, but the chances Pentax introduce a 50mp sensor in this camera is 1/1,000,000,000 chance in my opinion. Just doesn't make any sense.

mee · 05-28-2015, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Krizu

What is really interesting for me is if they're going to implement a proper highspeed tethering solution. The current ones with wifi cards and/or 3rd party solutions are just not reliable and functional at all.

I agree. This and improved flash system.

And I'm more interested in DR and high ISO handling in the FF body over raw pixel count. You can rest knowing the pixel count will be at least as high as the K-3 but less than the 645Z. Simply because we know Ricoh want to sell the entire camera product lineup, not steal one of the main features the 645Z has going for it (resolution).

Wired · 05-28-2015, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by mee

I agree. This and improved flash system.

And I'm more interested in DR and high ISO handling in the FF body over raw pixel count. You can rest knowing the pixel count will be at least as high as the K-3 but less than the 645Z. Simply because we know Ricoh want to sell the entire camera product lineup, not steal one of the main features the 645Z has going for it (resolution).

me too.

improved flash system (HSS? x-speed over 250? please please please please please please!)
radio control built into the camera for a new line of flash heads for use with OCF?

then give me a 24mp sensor, I'd settle for 36 (would prefer nothing larger) and give me class leading DR (think a range that could do Nikon Df/645z/A7s) which means a 24mp sensor would probably be the best sensor for the job

mikSJ · 05-28-2015, 02:20 PM - **1 Like**

I wonder if the size of that rear screen will start a rear screen size war. I just want a screen I can read in bright sunlight.

Also, I wish all manufacturers on the pro-sumer+ gear level would go to an OLED or at least an LED Control Panel.

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kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Haha..didnt notice that one before now! I have only heard about one Last edited by kenspo; 05-28-2015 at 04:56 AM.

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05-28-2015, 01:28 AM	#526
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by fs999 41 would be more correct if they reuse the K-3 AF sensor... (27 x 1.5 crop) But they won't. Spanking new sensor.

05-28-2015, 01:39 AM - 1 Like	#527
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,801	Originally posted by kenspo But they won't. Spanking new sensor. Stop spanking it and put it in the camera!

05-28-2015, 01:42 AM	#528
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by D1N0 Stop spanking it and put it in the camera! Damn it! I knew i forgot something If only it was my job..haha

05-28-2015, 03:38 AM	#529
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by kenspo But they won't. Spanking new sensor. Excellent news! As you can see, the K-3 AF sensor chip was designed to support a specific AF point array and AF coverage profile. Coverage on the right and left edge of the frame isn't extensive, however, and there are probably not enough horizontal and vertical sensor strips to offer support for the kind of AF system Pentax might want on a high-end FF. Simply to illustrate what the AF on a Pentax FF might look like, the Canon 5D3 AF sensor (which looks a lot like the 1Dx and 7D2 AF sensor) supports lots more than 27 AF points and has a very different pattern and coverage profile compared to the K-3 AF chip. As the 645Z diagram illustrates, by simply directly inserting the K-3 AF to a larger format you may end up with a very small AF coverage. With all this talk of a new AF system, AF patents etc, it sounds like Pentax dont want that. Last edited by rawr; 05-28-2015 at 03:44 AM.

05-28-2015, 03:53 AM	#530
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	You have some valid points here! I know what sensor that will be used, but i dont have any info on AF-system yet. But it would surprise me a lot of they didn't expand it

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IOO Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Flateby Photos: Gallery Posts: 295	Originally posted by kenspo You have some valid points here! I know what sensor that will be used, but i dont have any info on AF-system yet. But it would surprise me a lot of they didn't expand it Do you mean that you know what kind of sensor that Pentax will use? 24MP, 36MP og 50MP?

05-28-2015, 04:17 AM	#532
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by IOO Do you mean that you know what kind of sensor that Pentax will use? 24MP, 36MP og 50MP? Yes, i do But i won't risk anything by saying too much..sorry!

05-28-2015, 04:24 AM	#533
Krizu Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Munich Posts: 22	What is really interesting for me is if they're going to implement a proper highspeed tethering solution. The current ones with wifi cards and/or 3rd party solutions are just not reliable and functional at all.

05-28-2015, 04:29 AM	#534
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,801	Originally posted by IOO Do you mean that you know what kind of sensor that Pentax will use? 24MP, 36MP og 50MP? og means and in Norwegian. Do you think it has three sensors ?

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Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by D1N0 og means and in Norwegian. Do you think it has three sensors ? I say a 50 model & 24 model come out,so D750 & the new Canon whatever have some good competition ,& both with pixel shift ,but then a 50MP would hurt 645Z sales maybe??

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05-28-2015, 06:18 AM	#537
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	50mp is extremely unlikely. Never say never, but the chances Pentax introduce a 50mp sensor in this camera is 1/1,000,000,000 chance in my opinion. Just doesn't make any sense.

05-28-2015, 06:50 AM	#538
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Krizu What is really interesting for me is if they're going to implement a proper highspeed tethering solution. The current ones with wifi cards and/or 3rd party solutions are just not reliable and functional at all. I agree. This and improved flash system. And I'm more interested in DR and high ISO handling in the FF body over raw pixel count. You can rest knowing the pixel count will be at least as high as the K-3 but less than the 645Z. Simply because we know Ricoh want to sell the entire camera product lineup, not steal one of the main features the 645Z has going for it (resolution).

05-28-2015, 07:03 AM	#539
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	Originally posted by mee I agree. This and improved flash system. And I'm more interested in DR and high ISO handling in the FF body over raw pixel count. You can rest knowing the pixel count will be at least as high as the K-3 but less than the 645Z. Simply because we know Ricoh want to sell the entire camera product lineup, not steal one of the main features the 645Z has going for it (resolution). me too. improved flash system (HSS? x-speed over 250? please please please please please please!) radio control built into the camera for a new line of flash heads for use with OCF? then give me a 24mp sensor, I'd settle for 36 (would prefer nothing larger) and give me class leading DR (think a range that could do Nikon Df/645z/A7s) which means a 24mp sensor would probably be the best sensor for the job

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mikSJ New Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 5	I wonder if the size of that rear screen will start a rear screen size war. I just want a screen I can read in bright sunlight. Also, I wish all manufacturers on the pro-sumer+ gear level would go to an OLED or at least an LED Control Panel.

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