Unveiling of the Full Frame Prototype

**monochrome** · 02-12-2015, 06:10 PM - **5 Likes**

If they say 'before the end of the year' the mean 'before the end of the year'.

They said, "Before the end of the Year."

**derekkite** · 02-12-2015, 07:45 PM

Originally posted by Dr_who

OoOoOoOoOoOo I sure hope the FF comes in hot pink like the K-S2!

Just kidding, but I kinda like the orange on the K-S2. For the market the camera is trying to reach I think it adds a bit of fun sporty feel to a entry level slr.

I wish the K-3 had the option of a different color trim. I have two bodies and would like some easy means of telling them apart.

**Fontan** · 02-12-2015, 07:56 PM - **1 Like**

If you want this to be ready before the end of the year, they really should be nearing production, or at least laying out and sorting out the last of the ground work by now in terms of timing of it all. Many of the features can be tweaked by firmware and subsequent updates. It is more the physical aspects that takes time with production of casts, securing materials and parts manufactures, and then not to mention field testings. I am more than pretty sure there are working models that are being tested out in the field now. They need to time to ensure certain degree of quality control. They must be much further along than you many think. It is almost end of February. They are teasing you. Or that they were worried about leaks. I dunno.

**jpzk** · 02-12-2015, 08:06 PM - **2 Likes**

Wouldn't it be safe to assume that they already have a (working) prototype and that this "mock-up" is simply to keep us interested while they are almost done with it ??
Just a guess ...

Painter · 02-12-2015, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Dan

It means that the SR mechanism will be used to increase the effective megapixels, resulting in a 1.5-2x increase in image resolution. The files will be up to 4x larger. It can only be used when the camera and subject are not moving.

Or does it mean 4K video but only for time lapse alla the K-3

bobmaxja · 02-12-2015, 09:09 PM - **1 Like**

A camera is still a camera on a production line ,this one will be bigger but most of the assembly process will be the same. Same thing, a working prototype could be done and they do not need to have a 100 % final exterior shell. The exterior shell can be easly be done will the 3D printer or older type of process
Tool for plastic and casting are done now in less than 8 weeks. Camera shell are not rocket science anymore.

**geomez** · 02-12-2015, 09:22 PM

Originally posted by derekkite

I wish the K-3 had the option of a different color trim. I have two bodies and would like some easy means of telling them apart.

They sell a gun metal version as well as a silver version.

**jeffshaddix** · 02-13-2015, 12:04 AM

This is awesome. So far I'm good with all I've seen, especially the large OVF and SR.

Do we have any expectations on DR/ISO performance on the two candidate sensors (Sony 24mp or 36mp)? If we assume they are the set used in the A7 and A7r, we can look at dxomark...

I dug up this dxomark comparison:
Sony A7II vs A7R vs A7S: Horses for courses - DxOMark

I was surprised how well the 36mp sensor performed compared to the 24mp, especially on ISO noise performance.

repaap · 02-13-2015, 12:07 AM

I could bet that it will be 36 mp. For me 24 could be enough thou.

Sandy Hancock · 02-13-2015, 12:30 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Ash

THere are some things that Pentax are great at doing, and should continue to do for all their dSLRs: SR, DR, TAv mode (higher end cameras at least), solid construction.

There is another thing that Ricoh is really good at doing; controlling the release of information.

The fact that they only showed a 3D printed mock-up tells us *nothing* about how advanced is their manufacturing process.

deus ursus · 02-13-2015, 12:30 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by reh321

How does a Pentax flash master communicate with its slaves?
strobe?
IR?
RF?

Whip.

Chaos_Realm · 02-13-2015, 12:32 AM

dunno what all the talk is about a camera, take a look at that crowd. That is the biggest crowd I have seen around a pentax/ricoh booth in... er... ever?

**clackers** · 02-13-2015, 12:52 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by deus ursus

Whip.

Wonderfully done, DU! :-)

Barry Pearson · 02-13-2015, 01:49 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by repaap

I could bet that it will be 36 mp. For me 24 could be enough thou.

From experience with APS-C flagships, I typically don't need more than 24MP in an image. That might appear to mean that I could accept a 24MP sensor. But ....

I will sometimes use DA lenses that the camera will crop. So in effect it would no longer be a 24MP sensor, more like about 12MP. This would make a 24MP sensor inadequate.

banep · 02-13-2015, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by grispie

hm, I have a classic K2. no excuse not to buy the digital K2 now..

Me too. It'll be nice to have mirror lockup button just like old K2. I bet to top button on the left side.

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02-12-2015, 06:10 PM - 5 Likes	#121
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	If they say 'before the end of the year' the mean 'before the end of the year'. They said, "Before the end of the Year."

02-12-2015, 07:45 PM	#122
derekkite Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,781	Originally posted by Dr_who OoOoOoOoOoOo I sure hope the FF comes in hot pink like the K-S2! Just kidding, but I kinda like the orange on the K-S2. For the market the camera is trying to reach I think it adds a bit of fun sporty feel to a entry level slr. I wish the K-3 had the option of a different color trim. I have two bodies and would like some easy means of telling them apart.

02-12-2015, 07:56 PM - 1 Like	#123
Fontan Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: 5th floor Posts: 1,561	If you want this to be ready before the end of the year, they really should be nearing production, or at least laying out and sorting out the last of the ground work by now in terms of timing of it all. Many of the features can be tweaked by firmware and subsequent updates. It is more the physical aspects that takes time with production of casts, securing materials and parts manufactures, and then not to mention field testings. I am more than pretty sure there are working models that are being tested out in the field now. They need to time to ensure certain degree of quality control. They must be much further along than you many think. It is almost end of February. They are teasing you. Or that they were worried about leaks. I dunno.

02-12-2015, 08:06 PM - 2 Likes	#124
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,250	Wouldn't it be safe to assume that they already have a (working) prototype and that this "mock-up" is simply to keep us interested while they are almost done with it ?? Just a guess ...

02-12-2015, 08:48 PM	#125
Painter Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 346	Originally posted by Dan It means that the SR mechanism will be used to increase the effective megapixels, resulting in a 1.5-2x increase in image resolution. The files will be up to 4x larger. It can only be used when the camera and subject are not moving. Or does it mean 4K video but only for time lapse alla the K-3

02-12-2015, 09:09 PM - 1 Like	#126
bobmaxja Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Laval, Quebec Canada Posts: 2,170	A camera is still a camera on a production line ,this one will be bigger but most of the assembly process will be the same. Same thing, a working prototype could be done and they do not need to have a 100 % final exterior shell. The exterior shell can be easly be done will the 3D printer or older type of process Tool for plastic and casting are done now in less than 8 weeks. Camera shell are not rocket science anymore.

02-12-2015, 09:22 PM	#127
geomez Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Roanoke, Virginia, USA Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,760	Originally posted by derekkite I wish the K-3 had the option of a different color trim. I have two bodies and would like some easy means of telling them apart. They sell a gun metal version as well as a silver version.

02-13-2015, 12:04 AM	#128
jeffshaddix Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,473	This is awesome. So far I'm good with all I've seen, especially the large OVF and SR. Do we have any expectations on DR/ISO performance on the two candidate sensors (Sony 24mp or 36mp)? If we assume they are the set used in the A7 and A7r, we can look at dxomark... I dug up this dxomark comparison: Sony A7II vs A7R vs A7S: Horses for courses - DxOMark I was surprised how well the 36mp sensor performed compared to the 24mp, especially on ISO noise performance.

02-13-2015, 12:07 AM	#129
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,176	I could bet that it will be 36 mp. For me 24 could be enough thou.

02-13-2015, 12:30 AM - 2 Likes	#130
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 10,668	Originally posted by Ash THere are some things that Pentax are great at doing, and should continue to do for all their dSLRs: SR, DR, TAv mode (higher end cameras at least), solid construction. There is another thing that Ricoh is really good at doing; controlling the release of information. The fact that they only showed a 3D printed mock-up tells us nothing about how advanced is their manufacturing process.

02-13-2015, 12:30 AM - 3 Likes	#131
deus ursus Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Stårheim, Norway Posts: 650	Originally posted by reh321 How does a Pentax flash master communicate with its slaves? strobe? IR? RF? Whip.

02-13-2015, 12:32 AM	#132
Chaos_Realm Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Melbourne, Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,251	dunno what all the talk is about a camera, take a look at that crowd. That is the biggest crowd I have seen around a pentax/ricoh booth in... er... ever?

02-13-2015, 12:52 AM - 1 Like	#133
clackers Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,151	Originally posted by deus ursus Whip. Wonderfully done, DU! :-)

02-13-2015, 01:49 AM - 1 Like	#134
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by repaap I could bet that it will be 36 mp. For me 24 could be enough thou. From experience with APS-C flagships, I typically don't need more than 24MP in an image. That might appear to mean that I could accept a 24MP sensor. But .... I will sometimes use DA lenses that the camera will crop. So in effect it would no longer be a 24MP sensor, more like about 12MP. This would make a 24MP sensor inadequate.

02-13-2015, 02:15 AM	#135
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by grispie hm, I have a classic K2. no excuse not to buy the digital K2 now.. Me too. It'll be nice to have mirror lockup button just like old K2. I bet to top button on the left side.

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