Unveiling of the Full Frame Prototype

Cynog Ap Brychan · 02-13-2015, 02:16 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

From experience with APS-C flagships, I typically don't need more than 24MP in an image. That might appear to mean that I could accept a 24MP sensor. But ....

I will sometimes use DA lenses that the camera will crop. So in effect it would no longer be a 24MP sensor, more like about 12MP. This would make a 24MP sensor inadequate.

having had a Nikon D800 and now a D810, I definitely would not like to drop down to 24 Mpx in a full-frame. OK, I don't need 36 Mpx all the time, but I do sometimes, and it's great to have it (I never use the crop mode - I have the K-3 for that, but I often crop hard into the photo). If the Pentax FF is 36 Mpx, I'll be running just the one system. If it has 24, I don't think I'll be getting the full-frame, sadly.

banep · 02-13-2015, 02:38 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Stavri

Japanese men don't deal well with pressure, the country has high suicide rates among professionals as is...

It's not about dealing with pressure. It's about dealing with responsibility.

Uluru · 02-13-2015, 02:47 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

The New FF DSLR has a CHUNKY prism, which holds promise the VF will be decent. The ME super had a fantastic VF, but the coverage was a bit underwhelming, I would be content with 0.78X with 100% - or Ideally 0.92X with 98%. My experience with film and DSLRs 100% @ 0.70X is the absolute smallest OVF I can tolerate. I wouldn't accept anything below 0.70X in any case.

Some comparisons are already out, and it seems — even from quick view — that the FF will have at least the same size VF as in ME Super. What is under the canopy is a mystery, but the chunk of a prism is bigger than on ME Super.! I expect nothing less than 100% x ~0.9X
This is Pentax's first digital FF shot, they will do it right, and turn many heads, I have no doubts about it.
They shall justify their name (PENTAprism).

Gnarelsek · 02-13-2015, 02:51 AM

I do hope the mount ring design stays the same so that i can use my PK+MM and Olympus OM lenses on it when that FF day comes. *Pray*

**filoxophy** · 02-13-2015, 02:55 AM

Originally posted by Stavri

Japanese men don't deal well with pressure, the country has high suicide rates among professionals as is...

Thanks for bringing suicide into the discussion.

Originally posted by banep

Me too. It'll be nice to have mirror lockup button just like old K2. I bet to top button on the left side.

Interesting idea. I do wonder what that button will be. WiFi? DPOF?

Uluru · 02-13-2015, 02:59 AM - **1 Like**

I know it is silly, and perhaps would compromise weather sealing, but if they made a version with that front part of the grip covered with thin, real wood veneer, I would be all for it!

Alizarine · 02-13-2015, 04:02 AM

I hope that the increased size of the VF hump indicates some use of electronic overlay on the big-and-bright OVF. That would be awesome.

Timd · 02-13-2015, 04:18 AM

When I saw the original photos. it was "obvious" that there was no pop-up flash. However, seeing that it is a mock-up, perhaps they have not detailed the flash and it indeed does have a pop-up flash. Are there any official spec of this camera that states that there is no on board flash or are we all speculating?!

Sandy Hancock · 02-13-2015, 04:20 AM - **2 Likes**

We are *all* speculating. Wait.

**Belnan** · 02-13-2015, 07:07 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

having had a Nikon D800 and now a D810, I definitely would not like to drop down to 24 Mpx in a full-frame. OK, I don't need 36 Mpx all the time, but I do sometimes, and it's great to have it (I never use the crop mode - I have the K-3 for that, but I often crop hard into the photo). If the Pentax FF is 36 Mpx, I'll be running just the one system. If it has 24, I don't think I'll be getting the full-frame, sadly.

There is almost no chance of Pentax choosing the 24 MP sensor. 36 MP is likely the sweet spot.

cxdoo · 02-13-2015, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

There is almost no chance of Pentax choosing the 24 MP sensor. 36 MP is likely the sweet spot.

Aren't there other considerations when choosing the sensor apart from pixel count? This fixation on a single number reminds me of MHz race.

Raffwal · 02-13-2015, 07:16 AM

Originally posted by Belnan

There is almost no chance of Pentax choosing the 24 MP sensor. 36 MP is likely the sweet spot.

I wonder how much extra work it would need from Ricoh to release both? Everything else the same, just two different sensors.

**Belnan** · 02-13-2015, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by cxdoo

Aren't there other considerations when choosing the sensor apart from pixel count? This fixation on a single number reminds me of MHz race.

I suspect that by the time this camera is released that 36 MP will be the megapixel middle ground. I hope that they dont aim for a higher pixel count, besides 36 MP fits in the line up nicely.

K-S2 20 MP
K-3 24 MP
K-FF 36 MP
645Z 50 MP

**Clinton** · 02-13-2015, 07:31 AM - **3 Likes**

I threw a pile of cash at my display but it didn't produce a prototype to play with...

repaap · 02-13-2015, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Barry Pearson

From experience with APS-C flagships, I typically don't need more than 24MP in an image. That might appear to mean that I could accept a 24MP sensor. But ....

I will sometimes use DA lenses that the camera will crop. So in effect it would no longer be a 24MP sensor, more like about 12MP. This would make a 24MP sensor inadequate.

Well for me that 24 mp even cropped would be enough(for me) and it could mean also bette ISO toleranse, but I suppose that they will go with 36 mp. With some sensorsift super resolution it would knoc someones socks off.

02-13-2015, 02:38 AM - 1 Like	#137
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by Stavri Japanese men don't deal well with pressure, the country has high suicide rates among professionals as is... It's not about dealing with pressure. It's about dealing with responsibility. Last edited by banep; 02-13-2015 at 02:44 AM.

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02-13-2015, 02:16 AM	#136
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by Barry Pearson From experience with APS-C flagships, I typically don't need more than 24MP in an image. That might appear to mean that I could accept a 24MP sensor. But .... I will sometimes use DA lenses that the camera will crop. So in effect it would no longer be a 24MP sensor, more like about 12MP. This would make a 24MP sensor inadequate. having had a Nikon D800 and now a D810, I definitely would not like to drop down to 24 Mpx in a full-frame. OK, I don't need 36 Mpx all the time, but I do sometimes, and it's great to have it (I never use the crop mode - I have the K-3 for that, but I often crop hard into the photo). If the Pentax FF is 36 Mpx, I'll be running just the one system. If it has 24, I don't think I'll be getting the full-frame, sadly.

02-13-2015, 02:47 AM	#138
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by Digitalis The New FF DSLR has a CHUNKY prism, which holds promise the VF will be decent. The ME super had a fantastic VF, but the coverage was a bit underwhelming, I would be content with 0.78X with 100% - or Ideally 0.92X with 98%. My experience with film and DSLRs 100% @ 0.70X is the absolute smallest OVF I can tolerate. I wouldn't accept anything below 0.70X in any case. Some comparisons are already out, and it seems — even from quick view — that the FF will have at least the same size VF as in ME Super. What is under the canopy is a mystery, but the chunk of a prism is bigger than on ME Super.! I expect nothing less than 100% x ~0.9X This is Pentax's first digital FF shot, they will do it right, and turn many heads, I have no doubts about it. They shall justify their name (PENTAprism).

02-13-2015, 02:51 AM	#139
Gnarelsek Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 37	I do hope the mount ring design stays the same so that i can use my PK+MM and Olympus OM lenses on it when that FF day comes. Pray

02-13-2015, 02:55 AM	#140
filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,133	Originally posted by Stavri Japanese men don't deal well with pressure, the country has high suicide rates among professionals as is... Thanks for bringing suicide into the discussion. Originally posted by banep Me too. It'll be nice to have mirror lockup button just like old K2. I bet to top button on the left side. Interesting idea. I do wonder what that button will be. WiFi? DPOF?

02-13-2015, 02:59 AM - 1 Like	#141
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	I know it is silly, and perhaps would compromise weather sealing, but if they made a version with that front part of the grip covered with thin, real wood veneer, I would be all for it!

02-13-2015, 04:02 AM	#142
Alizarine Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Manila Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,185	I hope that the increased size of the VF hump indicates some use of electronic overlay on the big-and-bright OVF. That would be awesome.

02-13-2015, 04:18 AM	#143
Timd Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cape Town, SA Posts: 262	When I saw the original photos. it was "obvious" that there was no pop-up flash. However, seeing that it is a mock-up, perhaps they have not detailed the flash and it indeed does have a pop-up flash. Are there any official spec of this camera that states that there is no on board flash or are we all speculating?!

02-13-2015, 04:20 AM - 2 Likes	#144
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,275	We are all speculating. Wait.

02-13-2015, 07:07 AM	#145
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan having had a Nikon D800 and now a D810, I definitely would not like to drop down to 24 Mpx in a full-frame. OK, I don't need 36 Mpx all the time, but I do sometimes, and it's great to have it (I never use the crop mode - I have the K-3 for that, but I often crop hard into the photo). If the Pentax FF is 36 Mpx, I'll be running just the one system. If it has 24, I don't think I'll be getting the full-frame, sadly. There is almost no chance of Pentax choosing the 24 MP sensor. 36 MP is likely the sweet spot.

02-13-2015, 07:10 AM	#146
cxdoo Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Limassol, Cyprus Posts: 1,150	Originally posted by Belnan There is almost no chance of Pentax choosing the 24 MP sensor. 36 MP is likely the sweet spot. Aren't there other considerations when choosing the sensor apart from pixel count? This fixation on a single number reminds me of MHz race.

02-13-2015, 07:16 AM	#147
Raffwal Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: The North Posts: 879	Originally posted by Belnan There is almost no chance of Pentax choosing the 24 MP sensor. 36 MP is likely the sweet spot. I wonder how much extra work it would need from Ricoh to release both? Everything else the same, just two different sensors.

02-13-2015, 07:23 AM	#148
Belnan Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Nova Scotia Photos: Albums Posts: 1,090	Originally posted by cxdoo Aren't there other considerations when choosing the sensor apart from pixel count? This fixation on a single number reminds me of MHz race. I suspect that by the time this camera is released that 36 MP will be the megapixel middle ground. I hope that they dont aim for a higher pixel count, besides 36 MP fits in the line up nicely. K-S2 20 MP K-3 24 MP K-FF 36 MP 645Z 50 MP

02-13-2015, 07:31 AM - 3 Likes	#149
Clinton Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,912	I threw a pile of cash at my display but it didn't produce a prototype to play with...

02-13-2015, 07:42 AM	#150
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	Originally posted by Barry Pearson From experience with APS-C flagships, I typically don't need more than 24MP in an image. That might appear to mean that I could accept a 24MP sensor. But .... I will sometimes use DA lenses that the camera will crop. So in effect it would no longer be a 24MP sensor, more like about 12MP. This would make a 24MP sensor inadequate. Well for me that 24 mp even cropped would be enough(for me) and it could mean also bette ISO toleranse, but I suppose that they will go with 36 mp. With some sensorsift super resolution it would knoc someones socks off.