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pacu · 02-14-2015, 02:35 PM

I never thought that a large pentaprism could cause so much anxiety. If low end pentax dslrs have better viewfinders than the competition, why it shouldn't be the case with this camera ?

thibs · 02-14-2015, 02:36 PM

Because sometimes people prefer form over performance. We all do at times.

repaap · 02-14-2015, 03:16 PM

I'd prefer functionality instead of form. And one can really argue of taste, and form. For ages. And still you cannot find solution what pleases everyone. I like metal body and plastic cover. About 5 months I shoot in cold enviroments. In that case metal even with your cloves on is not as pleasant as plastic. And it takes beating too.

I just love that hump and as every one have pointed out. It is plastic, doh! Well let us say that they cannot nake it any worse than it now is. So every peace of class and metal is just going in better direction, right?

windhorse · 02-14-2015, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by pacu

I never thought that a large pentaprism could cause so much anxiety.

I get your point

Rupert · 02-14-2015, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by thibs

It is but feels cheap as an Eos300D. Tried to turn its speed dial? It is the same kind as on my LX3: very cheap plastic. It may be sexy but it is nowhere near solid enough for the market Ricoh wants to get in.

Ricoh doesn't have to make a cheap equipped camera, even if you think the X-T1 is cheaply made....I have never used one so I can't say.

I can tell you that if this was made into a FF camera it would sell like crazy...all solid, machined dials and very solidly built. Cameras of this quality tend to be used more often, kept longer, and appreciated more than an ordinary plastic box.

Cost must be a big factor? Still, I would pay more for a camera of better design and construction and I think most others would too. Maybe not? I'm just voicing my feeling.....and I'm not always right......we could ask Otis...he is always right!

Regards!

**robgski** · 02-14-2015, 03:57 PM

I'd love to have a split rangefinder again, that was always the best way to focus

**jpzk** · 02-14-2015, 04:25 PM

What did I miss here ... some talks about the not-yet-here FF being ugly ??

What's the consensus ?

Is it at all possible to have an ugly FF camera that will actually perform ??

JP

Rupert · 02-14-2015, 04:35 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jpzk

Is it at all possible to have an ugly FF camera that will actually perform ??

Yep, just like having a fat ugly wife that can cook like a gourmet chef. If that is all that counts, heaven is at hand!

However, there is nothing that says you can't have a lovely gorgeous wife that can cook equally well.

Bottom line...one may be cheaper than the other......

Regards!

**jpzk** · 02-14-2015, 04:37 PM

Originally posted by Rupert

Yep, just like having a fat ugly wife that can cook like a gourmet chef. If that is all that counts, heaven is at hand!

However, there is nothing that says you can't have a lovely gorgeous wife that can cook equally well.

Bottom line...one may be cheaper than the other......

Regards!

Stavri · 02-14-2015, 05:22 PM

This PS image found on the web coveys a more complete image of what the final product will look like

windhorse · 02-14-2015, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by robgski

I'd love to have a split rangefinder again, that was always the best way to focus

at least unlike the mirrorless FF brethren this will probably have a focusing screen :-/

katzeye makes a split image focusing screen for the K-5 but most likely the same one will not fit this beast though why not hope and anyways if it doesn´t fit rest assured some genius will figure out how to make it fit anyways even if it can only be done by cutting open that big pentaprism with a blow torch and sticky taping the old focusing screen on top of the new one... the only uncertainty in my mind is if the micro-adjustment feature will accommodate this kind of backyard engineering?

philbaum · 02-14-2015, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by lytrytyr

After the flaming of the K-01 and K-S1?

Well said. Had enough drama with the K01, please just let me have ordinary and functional. The designer's signature on the bottom of the K01 was a major turn-off for me.

ogl · 02-15-2015, 01:21 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by Rupert

I can tell you that if this was made into a FF camera it would sell like crazy...all solid, machined dials and very solidly built.

Regards!

Believe me, it's illusion.
Fujifilm's cameras are retro speculation and imitation.

I think it's niche products and a lot of users prefer modern classical cameras. Not Fujifilm's stuff.

Buy Fujifilm FF camera in fake retro design

. Or Leica M240.

Why do you want Pentax to be Fujifilm?

ogl · 02-15-2015, 01:39 AM

It's really cool camera.

Barry Pearson · 02-15-2015, 03:03 AM

Originally posted by robgski

I'd love to have a split rangefinder again, that was always the best way to focus

I used to like microprism focusing. But I wouldn't argue with split-image focusing. (I miss having one or the other of those).

02-14-2015, 05:22 PM	#250
Stavri Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,832	This PS image found on the web coveys a more complete image of what the final product will look like Attached Images

02-15-2015, 01:21 AM - 2 Likes	#253
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Rupert I can tell you that if this was made into a FF camera it would sell like crazy...all solid, machined dials and very solidly built. Regards! Believe me, it's illusion. Fujifilm's cameras are retro speculation and imitation. I think it's niche products and a lot of users prefer modern classical cameras. Not Fujifilm's stuff. Buy Fujifilm FF camera in fake retro design. Or Leica M240. Why do you want Pentax to be Fujifilm?

02-15-2015, 01:39 AM	#254
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	It's really cool camera. Attached Images

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02-14-2015, 02:35 PM	#241
pacu Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 91	I never thought that a large pentaprism could cause so much anxiety. If low end pentax dslrs have better viewfinders than the competition, why it shouldn't be the case with this camera ?

02-14-2015, 02:36 PM	#242
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Because sometimes people prefer form over performance. We all do at times.

02-14-2015, 03:16 PM	#243
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	I'd prefer functionality instead of form. And one can really argue of taste, and form. For ages. And still you cannot find solution what pleases everyone. I like metal body and plastic cover. About 5 months I shoot in cold enviroments. In that case metal even with your cloves on is not as pleasant as plastic. And it takes beating too. I just love that hump and as every one have pointed out. It is plastic, doh! Well let us say that they cannot nake it any worse than it now is. So every peace of class and metal is just going in better direction, right?

02-14-2015, 03:18 PM	#244
windhorse Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 101	Originally posted by pacu I never thought that a large pentaprism could cause so much anxiety. I get your point

02-14-2015, 03:42 PM	#245
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by thibs It is but feels cheap as an Eos300D. Tried to turn its speed dial? It is the same kind as on my LX3: very cheap plastic. It may be sexy but it is nowhere near solid enough for the market Ricoh wants to get in. Ricoh doesn't have to make a cheap equipped camera, even if you think the X-T1 is cheaply made....I have never used one so I can't say. I can tell you that if this was made into a FF camera it would sell like crazy...all solid, machined dials and very solidly built. Cameras of this quality tend to be used more often, kept longer, and appreciated more than an ordinary plastic box. Cost must be a big factor? Still, I would pay more for a camera of better design and construction and I think most others would too. Maybe not? I'm just voicing my feeling.....and I'm not always right......we could ask Otis...he is always right! Regards!

02-14-2015, 03:57 PM	#246
robgski Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Shenandoah Valley, Virginia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,817	I'd love to have a split rangefinder again, that was always the best way to focus

02-14-2015, 04:25 PM	#247
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	What did I miss here ... some talks about the not-yet-here FF being ugly ?? What's the consensus ? Is it at all possible to have an ugly FF camera that will actually perform ?? JP

02-14-2015, 04:35 PM - 1 Like	#248
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	Originally posted by jpzk Is it at all possible to have an ugly FF camera that will actually perform ?? Yep, just like having a fat ugly wife that can cook like a gourmet chef. If that is all that counts, heaven is at hand! However, there is nothing that says you can't have a lovely gorgeous wife that can cook equally well. Bottom line...one may be cheaper than the other...... Regards!

02-14-2015, 04:37 PM	#249
jpzk Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Québec Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,251	Originally posted by Rupert Yep, just like having a fat ugly wife that can cook like a gourmet chef. If that is all that counts, heaven is at hand! However, there is nothing that says you can't have a lovely gorgeous wife that can cook equally well. Bottom line...one may be cheaper than the other...... Regards!

02-14-2015, 06:11 PM	#251
windhorse Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 101	Originally posted by robgski I'd love to have a split rangefinder again, that was always the best way to focus at least unlike the mirrorless FF brethren this will probably have a focusing screen :-/ katzeye makes a split image focusing screen for the K-5 but most likely the same one will not fit this beast though why not hope and anyways if it doesn´t fit rest assured some genius will figure out how to make it fit anyways even if it can only be done by cutting open that big pentaprism with a blow torch and sticky taping the old focusing screen on top of the new one... the only uncertainty in my mind is if the micro-adjustment feature will accommodate this kind of backyard engineering?

02-14-2015, 06:16 PM	#252
philbaum Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Port Townsend, Washington State, USA Posts: 3,659	Originally posted by lytrytyr After the flaming of the K-01 and K-S1? Well said. Had enough drama with the K01, please just let me have ordinary and functional. The designer's signature on the bottom of the K01 was a major turn-off for me.

02-15-2015, 03:03 AM	#255
Barry Pearson Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Stockport Posts: 964	Originally posted by robgski I'd love to have a split rangefinder again, that was always the best way to focus I used to like microprism focusing. But I wouldn't argue with split-image focusing. (I miss having one or the other of those).

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