Japan Has Spoken...Pentax (Ricoh) #3

carpents · 02-23-2015, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by mrNewt

That's rather rude...

I suppose. Apologies to the tabletographers out there, it was just a knee jerk reaction.

Wolfeye · 02-23-2015, 01:09 PM - **1 Like**

Everyone that throws their lot in with an underdog, for whatever reason, usually has a backup strategy. Or should. I've been using every brand there is and can confidently pick up any of my DSLRs from any brand and make images I enjoy. The only brand I won't buy nor use again is the Sony SLT series.

Ricoh will certainly stop making cameras if they cease to be profitable. Until then, if ever, enjoy the ride - and if you enjoy photography you'll adapt to a new company or keep shooting what you have until it dies. It's all good.

**monochrome** · 02-23-2015, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by Wolfeye

or keep shooting what you have until it dies. It's all good

Like those weirdsmobiles in the Film SLR Discussion Forum?

carpents · 02-23-2015, 01:32 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Like those weirdsmobiles in the Film SLR Discussion Forum?

Oh I almost forgot! I saw one film SLR too - a Canon FD.

magkelly · 02-23-2015, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Yes, Pentax was known for above excellent value for money. In that respect, what do you expect from the new FF Pentax? Do you think it's going to competitively priced vs CaNikon offerings? I have my doubts about that.

Actually knowing Pentax I think it will probably cost a great deal less. Look at their other cameras and how well they compare price-wise to Nikon and Canon. They have a habit of giving more for less $$$. Some of the Pentax entry level cameras are a wonderful deal for the money. I mean look at the K-30/K-50. Look at what you get compared to similar entry level Canon and Nikon cams.

Wolfeye · 02-23-2015, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Like those weirdsmobiles in the Film SLR Discussion Forum?

Exactly! How weird they are!

*hiding LX behind back...*

pacu · 02-23-2015, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Isn't that exactly what they're doing right now? Look at what they announced recently, and look at their roadmap.

Sony many years and no consumer ultra wide zoom for their aps-c mirrorless, well even eos m got one... People seem to forget that a camera is a box needed to use lenses.

Seeing Sony E 10-18mm f/4 OSS i guess, a man should just shutup and pay throw the nose.

Clavius · 02-24-2015, 01:17 AM

Originally posted by magkelly

Actually knowing Pentax I think it will probably cost a great deal less. Look at their other cameras and how well they compare price-wise to Nikon and Canon. They have a habit of giving more for less $$$. Some of the Pentax entry level cameras are a wonderful deal for the money. I mean look at the K-30/K-50. Look at what you get compared to similar entry level Canon and Nikon cams.

Without discriminating, it will be impossible for Pentax to compete with the price of all competing FF models out there. It may be affordable... for its type. It may be compact... in its own class.

osv · 02-24-2015, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by pacu

Sony many years and no consumer ultra wide zoom for their aps-c mirrorless, well even eos m got one...

the sony sel10-18 ultra wide zoom was released in 2012, and the nex3, the first camera in the emount series, was released in 2010... that is hardly "many years"

**rightangle** · 02-24-2015, 05:32 PM

For whatever it is worth Tom Hogan lists Pentax as 5.7 percent of the ilc market so that includes the Q. Fuji is in the 3 range btw.

**RobA_Oz** · 02-24-2015, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

Without discriminating, it will be impossible for Pentax to compete with the price of all competing FF models out there. It may be affordable... for its type. It may be compact... in its own class.

They did promise it would be different...

How different remains to be seen, but the design study shown already doesn't lead us to think that it's going to be externally all that unusual, so price and feature remain the areas of possible differentiation.

**clackers** · 02-24-2015, 08:25 PM

Originally posted by osv

the sony sel10-18 ultra wide zoom was released in 2012, and the nex3, the first camera in the emount series, was released in 2010... that is hardly "many years"

I've got that lens, Osv - it's a favourite of mine amongst some pretty poor Sony lenses - but it's not 'consumer' grade. It's expensive.

osv · 02-25-2015, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by clackers

I've got that lens, Osv - it's a favourite of mine amongst some pretty poor Sony lenses - but it's not 'consumer' grade. It's expensive.

cool pic

some guys are even using that lens on ff, in the middle of the zoom range, with decent results

**clackers** · 02-25-2015, 09:16 AM

Originally posted by osv

cool pic

some guys are even using that lens on ff, in the middle of the zoom range, with decent results

Yeah, Trey Ratcliff advised this could be done. If the Pentax FF is unaffordable for me for a while, I haven't ruled out a 2nd hand A7 in the meantime.

reh321 · 02-25-2015, 09:22 AM

Originally posted by clackers

I've got that lens, Osv - it's a favorite of mine amongst some pretty poor Sony lenses - but it's not 'consumer' grade. It's expensive.

Wide angle zoom seem to be amongst the most difficult to do "right". The most expensive lens for the Pentax Q-family is the 08 lens, which is essentially comparable to a 10-18mm lens.

02-24-2015, 03:20 PM	#99
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by pacu Sony many years and no consumer ultra wide zoom for their aps-c mirrorless, well even eos m got one... the sony sel10-18 ultra wide zoom was released in 2012, and the nex3, the first camera in the emount series, was released in 2010... that is hardly "many years" Last edited by Parallax; 02-24-2015 at 04:15 PM.

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02-23-2015, 12:26 PM	#91
carpents Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Chester, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,420	Originally posted by mrNewt That's rather rude... I suppose. Apologies to the tabletographers out there, it was just a knee jerk reaction.

02-23-2015, 01:09 PM - 1 Like	#92
Wolfeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 782	Everyone that throws their lot in with an underdog, for whatever reason, usually has a backup strategy. Or should. I've been using every brand there is and can confidently pick up any of my DSLRs from any brand and make images I enjoy. The only brand I won't buy nor use again is the Sony SLT series. Ricoh will certainly stop making cameras if they cease to be profitable. Until then, if ever, enjoy the ride - and if you enjoy photography you'll adapt to a new company or keep shooting what you have until it dies. It's all good.

02-23-2015, 01:14 PM	#93
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Wolfeye or keep shooting what you have until it dies. It's all good Like those weirdsmobiles in the Film SLR Discussion Forum?

02-23-2015, 01:32 PM	#94
carpents Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: West Chester, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,420	Originally posted by monochrome Like those weirdsmobiles in the Film SLR Discussion Forum? Oh I almost forgot! I saw one film SLR too - a Canon FD.

02-23-2015, 01:40 PM	#95
magkelly Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,901	Originally posted by Clavius Yes, Pentax was known for above excellent value for money. In that respect, what do you expect from the new FF Pentax? Do you think it's going to competitively priced vs CaNikon offerings? I have my doubts about that. Actually knowing Pentax I think it will probably cost a great deal less. Look at their other cameras and how well they compare price-wise to Nikon and Canon. They have a habit of giving more for less $$$. Some of the Pentax entry level cameras are a wonderful deal for the money. I mean look at the K-30/K-50. Look at what you get compared to similar entry level Canon and Nikon cams.

02-23-2015, 01:47 PM	#96
Wolfeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 782	Originally posted by monochrome Like those weirdsmobiles in the Film SLR Discussion Forum? Exactly! How weird they are! hiding LX behind back...

02-23-2015, 02:12 PM	#97
pacu Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 91	Originally posted by Clavius Isn't that exactly what they're doing right now? Look at what they announced recently, and look at their roadmap. Sony many years and no consumer ultra wide zoom for their aps-c mirrorless, well even eos m got one... People seem to forget that a camera is a box needed to use lenses. Seeing Sony E 10-18mm f/4 OSS i guess, a man should just shutup and pay throw the nose.

02-24-2015, 01:17 AM	#98
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by magkelly Actually knowing Pentax I think it will probably cost a great deal less. Look at their other cameras and how well they compare price-wise to Nikon and Canon. They have a habit of giving more for less $$$. Some of the Pentax entry level cameras are a wonderful deal for the money. I mean look at the K-30/K-50. Look at what you get compared to similar entry level Canon and Nikon cams. Without discriminating, it will be impossible for Pentax to compete with the price of all competing FF models out there. It may be affordable... for its type. It may be compact... in its own class.

02-24-2015, 05:32 PM	#100
rightangle Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: san francisco bay area Photos: Albums Posts: 28	For whatever it is worth Tom Hogan lists Pentax as 5.7 percent of the ilc market so that includes the Q. Fuji is in the 3 range btw.

02-24-2015, 06:16 PM	#101
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by Clavius Without discriminating, it will be impossible for Pentax to compete with the price of all competing FF models out there. It may be affordable... for its type. It may be compact... in its own class. They did promise it would be different... How different remains to be seen, but the design study shown already doesn't lead us to think that it's going to be externally all that unusual, so price and feature remain the areas of possible differentiation.

02-24-2015, 08:25 PM	#102
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by osv the sony sel10-18 ultra wide zoom was released in 2012, and the nex3, the first camera in the emount series, was released in 2010... that is hardly "many years" I've got that lens, Osv - it's a favourite of mine amongst some pretty poor Sony lenses - but it's not 'consumer' grade. It's expensive.

02-25-2015, 09:12 AM	#103
osv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: So Cal Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,080	Originally posted by clackers I've got that lens, Osv - it's a favourite of mine amongst some pretty poor Sony lenses - but it's not 'consumer' grade. It's expensive. cool pic some guys are even using that lens on ff, in the middle of the zoom range, with decent results

02-25-2015, 09:16 AM	#104
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by osv cool pic some guys are even using that lens on ff, in the middle of the zoom range, with decent results Yeah, Trey Ratcliff advised this could be done. If the Pentax FF is unaffordable for me for a while, I haven't ruled out a 2nd hand A7 in the meantime.

02-25-2015, 09:22 AM	#105
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,179	Originally posted by clackers I've got that lens, Osv - it's a favorite of mine amongst some pretty poor Sony lenses - but it's not 'consumer' grade. It's expensive. Wide angle zoom seem to be amongst the most difficult to do "right". The most expensive lens for the Pentax Q-family is the 08 lens, which is essentially comparable to a 10-18mm lens.