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02-25-2015, 07:52 AM   #106
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Yes,thatīs right and the new fullframe body will be available at first in japan and europe,approx. October.
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So - a 645Z-style product release then? We North Americans will have to get down on our knees and beg?*


* How does it feel, Americans, to NOT be the most important market in the developed world any more?

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you lost that years ago
look at the market share, EU is more important and higher prices then the US. Even the upcoming markets (Asia/India) have more potential for growth then the US (with Canikon dump prices)
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85% of Pentax's sales are domestic. They really are a Japanese camera company. Doesn't stop me buying a good product, but they don't play the Canikon international game - it's not worth it.

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
So - a 645Z-style product release then? We North Americans will have to get down on our knees and beg?*


* How does it feel, Americans, to NOT be the most important market in the developed world any more?
For years (a couple decades at least), some technology products - cell phones, computer components, heck even some cameras - have been available in other markets for a while before coming to the USA... and sometimes said items never arrived here, at all.

If anything, its better now, as Japan-centric products are now available to purchase in foreign markets thanks to online storefronts like Amazon and Ebay.

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So - a 645Z-style product release then? We North Americans will have to get down on our knees and beg?*

* How does it feel, Americans, to NOT be the most important market in the developed world any more?
When I bought the 01 lens for my Q-7, I bought it from a Japanese dealer via Amazon. I'm fine with that. If I want it enough, I'm willing to wait for a slow boat from Japan and diffident west coast longshoreman to get it to me eventually. Otherwise, I'll find a roughly equivalent product from someone who wants to sell it to me.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Franc Quote
you lost that years ago
look at the market share, EU is more important and higher prices then the US. Even the upcoming markets (Asia/India) have more potential for growth then the US (with Canikon dump prices)
QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
85% of Pentax's sales are domestic. They really are a Japanese camera company. Doesn't stop me buying a good product, but they don't play the Canikon game - it's not worth it.
QuoteOriginally posted by luftfluss Quote
For years (a couple decades at least), some technology products - cell phones, computer components, heck even some cameras - have been available in other markets for a while before coming to the USA... and sometimes said items never arrived here, at all.

If anything, its better now, as Japan-centric products are now available to purchase in foreign markets thanks to online storefronts like Amazon and Ebay.
QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
When I bought the 01 lens for my Q-7, I bought it from a Japanese dealer via Amazon. I'm fine with that. If I want it enough, I'm willing to wait for a slow boat from Japan and diffident west coast longshoreman to get it to me eventually. Otherwise, I'll find a roughly equivalent product from someone who wants to sell it to me.
Thank you for arguing my case.

Perhaps we can now stop hammering Denver for their supposed failures.
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Do you throw your camera away every year?
Nope...so...your point?
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QuoteOriginally posted by clackers Quote
85% of Pentax's sales are domestic. They really are a Japanese camera company. Doesn't stop me buying a good product, but they don't play the Canikon international game - it's not worth it.
I keep reading this 85% figure.

However, it applies to a business segment comprising much more than Pentax. The domestic Pentax share is much less. Unfortinately, Ricoh business reports don't allow to draw conclusions about Pentax, their numbers are obfuscated by larger divisions.

So please, stop quoting this 85% figure. Thanks. I recommend to turn to CIPA to guesstimate stuff.

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I keep reading this 85% figure.

However, it applies to a business segment comprising much more than Pentax. .

Does it, Falconeye?


What is your proof?


Here's mine - the division breakdown from p102 of Ricoh's own report at http://www.ricoh.com/about/sustainability/report/pdf2014/all.pdf


Imaging and Solutions


• Office Imaging








MFPs (multifunctional printers), copiers, laser printers, digital


duplicators, facsimiles, scanners, related parts and supplies,


services, support and software




• Production Printing








Cut sheet printer, continuous feed printer, related parts and


supplies, services, support and software




• Network System Solutions








Personal computers, servers, network equipment, related services,


support and software




Industrial Products




Thermal media, optical equipment, semiconductor devices and


electronic components




Other


Digital cameras


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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
I keep reading this 85% figure.

However, it applies to a business segment comprising much more than Pentax. The domestic Pentax share is much less. Unfortinately, Ricoh business reports don't allow to draw conclusions about Pentax, their numbers are obfuscated by larger divisions.

So please, stop quoting this 85% figure. Thanks. I recommend to turn to CIPA to guesstimate stuff.
I agree. It contains leasing and financing as well, which I'd guess they are quite Japan-centric.

In another post I made some very rough estimations starting from the BCN Ranking's sales data; the result was a far cry from the Other's total sales in Japan. Cameras are a significant part, but I'd be surprised if it's more than 1/3rd (which would explain why it's "Other" and not "Ricoh Imaging and some extras" )
https://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/16-pentax-news-rumors/289212-japan-has-sp...ml#post3167542
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What is your proof?
Applying reasoning.

Just use absolute figures (rather than percentages) and you immediately see it can't be true. Well, except you assume Pentax pawns the Japanese camera market ...

I am a bit concerned how easily this community accepted an unlikely figure from a difficult to interpret business report.
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Applying reasoning.

Just use absolute figures (rather than percentages) and you immediately see it can't be true. Well, except you assume Pentax pawns the Japanese camera market ...

I am a bit concerned how easily this community accepted an unlikely figure from a difficult to interpret business report.
The 85 per cent figure certainly sounds a bit unlikely. If I remember, Europe used to take a far higher proportion of cameras than allowed for here. Bear in mind that Pentax is pretty popular in France, for example. My impression is that now is a good time for Japanese companies to export all they can, because exchange rates are in their favour.
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How did Pentax mess up with the K-01 and K-S1?

I own the K-01 and it has been a great asset for me. It is a shame Pentax hasn't developed the concept further.

And the K-S1 in my opinion is brilliant move on Pentax's part to appeal to the target audience it was intended for primarily the "Selfie" generation.

I say Pentax keep up the excellent work.

Cant wait to see the full frame.
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I think we need another good dose of kenspo.
Haha..thank you! Will load my guns soon!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
I agree. It contains leasing and financing as well

Stop guessing, Kunzite, where is your proof?


There is a Ricoh Leasing Co Ltd, listed separately on the stock exchange.


Again, Ricoh give this breakdown of their divisions in their Q3 financial report:





*Each category includes the following product line:


Office Imaging MFPs (multifunctional printers), copiers, laser printers, digital duplicators, facsimile, scanners,


related parts & supplies, services, support and software


Production Printing Cut sheet printer, continuous feed printer, related parts & supplies, services, support and software


Network System Solutions Personal computers, servers, network equipment, related services, support and software


Industrial Products Thermal media, optical equipment, electronic components, semiconductor devices and inkjet head


Other Digital cameras






Remember it will include lens sales.
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