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06-20-2008, 02:22 PM   #31
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QuoteOriginally posted by ibk Quote
... or maybe Full Frame. Who knows?
If I remember correctly the initial info of the lens was DFA 60-250/4, so maybe they've decided to make it DFA after all.
And the info that Samsung is working on a FF sensor fits to this very well.

So, interesting time ahead!
Judging by the sheer girth of that thing, it'll be f/2.8 AND full frame. Oh, joy...

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i don't want it to be f/2.8! that will bump the price right up and out of my range.

why can't we just get a nice f/4 match for the 16-45?
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I'd definitely like to see this on the market sooner and provide what Canon has done with their EF 70-200mm in f/4.0 and the more expensive f/2.8.

Sell the 60-250 f/4 in the $500 range and f/2.8 around $1000. Of course, cheaper is always better.

Compare:

Amazon.com: Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM Telephoto Zoom Lens for Canon SLR Cameras: Camera & Photo

Amazon.com: Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM Telephoto Zoom Lens for Canon SLR Cameras: Camera & Photo

Pentax should come out with this now to give people options. If you feel the need to upgrade later well then you can; I'd honestly buy the f/4 version if 1/2 the price. Being slow to release products is what is killing Pentax's market share time and time again. Consumers get tired of waiting and simply look elsewhere.
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QuoteOriginally posted by OniFactor Quote
why can't we just get a nice f/4 match for the 16-45?
Because then it would have to be the DA 60-250, not the DA*.

WHO SAYS WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH?

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i'm all for both!
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If it really is a F2.8, I wonder how it'll compare to the 70-200mm F2.8 lenses from Tamron and Sigma...

I might start to lust after the 60-250mm instead of the 70-200mm's instead
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waiting for the tamron or sigma, whichever is first (i think one of them will be out before the 60-250)
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QuoteOriginally posted by F-Stop Quote
I'd definitely like to see this on the market sooner and provide what Canon has done with their EF 70-200mm in f/4.0 and the more expensive f/2.8.

Sell the 60-250 f/4 in the $500 range and f/2.8 around $1000. Of course, cheaper is always better.

Compare:

Amazon.com: Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L USM Telephoto Zoom Lens for Canon SLR Cameras: Camera & Photo

Amazon.com: Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM Telephoto Zoom Lens for Canon SLR Cameras: Camera & Photo

Pentax should come out with this now to give people options. If you feel the need to upgrade later well then you can; I'd honestly buy the f/4 version if 1/2 the price. Being slow to release products is what is killing Pentax's market share time and time again. Consumers get tired of waiting and simply look elsewhere.
500 seems a little cheap- Canon can afford to make a cheap 70-200 because everybody who gets one will want to get the 2.8 version next, and are willing to pay the 2x-3x price increase.

Also realize the MSRP on that f/4 canon lens is 970, so let's not start complaining when pentax announces theirs at 1000...

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If You compare prices with canon 70-200, you must compare with 70-200/4 IS USM (IS - image stabilised) version, and not with 70-200/4 USM. And here we see the price over 1000USD. And note, that this lens is in market already some time, and that means there is some price drop comparing with nnitial MSRP. Besides, Pentax is 60mm instead of 70, and 250 mm instead of 200. I think innitialy, MSRP of Pentax 60-250/4 will be as minimum 1500 USD.

Price of Canon 70-200/4 IS USM - 1258B002 Canon EF 70-200mm f/4L IS USM Autofocus Telephoto Zoom Lens, USA
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QuoteOriginally posted by Roberts Quote
I think innitialy, MSRP of Pentax 60-250/4 will be as minimum 1500 USD.
with the upcoming Tamron and Sigma 70-200 2.8 probably starting under $1000, that would not be very wise of Pentax.

i don't know why, but the lack of this lens is really pissing me off
there better be something really special, it's been two years since they've announced this PENTAX NEWS release 2006 : PENTAX to Exhibit Upcoming Digital SLR Camera Products at Photokina 2006 in Germany
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QuoteOriginally posted by k100d Quote
with the upcoming Tamron and Sigma 70-200 2.8 probably starting under $1000, that would not be very wise of Pentax.

i don't know why, but the lack of this lens is really pissing me off
there better be something really special, it's been two years since they've announced this PENTAX NEWS release 2006 : PENTAX to Exhibit Upcoming Digital SLR Camera Products at Photokina 2006 in Germany

60-250 is more versatile zoom range than 70-200, I think. But I hope that my prediction of price 1500 USD is mistake
And one more thing - I don't understand need of 70-200 on APS-C if we have 50-135. On APS-C sensor 50-135 in the average is the same field of view that 70-200 on FF. And zoom range 70-200 initially was created for FF and pentax made 50-135 for APS-C as the lens with field of view equivalent to 70-200 on FF. But this is not more important thing. More important is versatility of 50-135 versus 70-200. Take picture from the same point with 135mm and 200mm - and You will see, that difference is very small (135mm lens on APS-C has 12 degrees field of view (as 200mm on FF), and 200mm lens on APS-C has 8 degree field of view (as 300mm on FF)). You can verify very easy that there is no big difference between 135 and 200 mm on APS-C if You have zoom lens with tele end 200mm - turn the lens zoom on 135mm, look in viewfinder, and then turn the zoom ring till the end (200mm) - and You will see, that difference is unsubstantial. But verify the difference between 50mm and 70mm on APS-C - difference will be huge. And for portraiture work, studio work, event photo (like wedding) the 50-135 on APS-C is way too versatile than 70-200 on APS-C. You need for that work 50mm over 70mm more than 200 over 135. But if You need extra tele end, you don`t need 200mm but more. that`s my opinion, of course!
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saying dont need 70-200 when you have 50-135 is like saying for ff / film you dont need a 300mm f2.8 when you have 200mm f2.8 ??

personally I'd like both, indoors (concerts / performances etc) the 50-135, and outside the 70-200.
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If You compare prices with canon 70-200, you must compare with 70-200/4 IS USM (IS - image stabilised) version, and not with 70-200/4 USM. And here we see the price over 1000USD.
Totally didn't see the difference at the time, just a quick look, compare and post, wasn't aware they made the 70-200 f/4 with and w/o IS; just assumed the f/2.8 version had it all.

In either case we're not dealing with in-lens stabilization so in retrospect comparing the 60-250mm, despite the longer range, is more in keeping with the Canon 70-200mm f/4 L non-IS, if Pentax were to release a f/4 version. If online dealers are shaving $500 off in the difference between an Image Stabilized and non-IS lens I truly can't see a 60-250mm street price of $1000+, the f/2.8 I could comprehend.
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I think I'm spending too much time and energy on this....
Yes you are. Now go outside and take some photographs!
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i can't take photographs until i have the 60-250 f/4 in my hands. but then i won't be able to take pictures until i have a body that supports SDM, and then i won't be able to take pictures until i have a memory card that'll be able to hold pictures for the new camera, and then i won't be able to take pictures until i have.........




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