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06-23-2008, 11:20 AM   #46
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QuoteOriginally posted by philmorley Quote
saying dont need 70-200 when you have 50-135 is like saying for ff / film you dont need a 300mm f2.8 when you have 200mm f2.8 ??

personally I'd like both, indoors (concerts / performances etc) the 50-135, and outside the 70-200.
I think what Roberts was trying to say, in a roundabout way, is that there is a fair amount of difference between 50mm and 70mm FoV, but very little between 135mm and 200mm, in terms of usage. So, the 50-135mm f/2.8 lens is a lot more versatile because a) you gain substantially at the wide end, b) you don't lose much at the long end, and c) it's a lot lighter.

Furthermore, he also said that if you're going to need a reach longer than 135mm, then 200mm isn't really going to cut it and you'll need at least 300mm.

Those are valid points, I think.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Miserere Quote
I think what Roberts was trying to say, in a roundabout way, is that there is a fair amount of difference between 50mm and 70mm FoV, but very little between 135mm and 200mm, in terms of usage. So, the 50-135mm f/2.8 lens is a lot more versatile because a) you gain substantially at the wide end, b) you don't lose much at the long end, and c) it's a lot lighter.

Furthermore, he also said that if you're going to need a reach longer than 135mm, then 200mm isn't really going to cut it and you'll need at least 300mm.

Those are valid points, I think.
I think this may be true for some but not for others.
I've seen people going for the Bigma and still did not capture the subject enough to see who it was... But others will use the long end in areas of restricted size and depth that could be covered by 135 mm.

I personally use the tele indoors in halls to cover sports, and I by checking the pictures I found out I was constantly between 120 and 200 mm. Rarely did I actually need more reach. 50 to 100 mm only covered about 15% of the pictures, and most of it was way above 75 mm.
So to keep the story simple, to me it's precisely the other way around: the +135 range brings the versatilety to me .

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QuoteOriginally posted by Miserere Quote
I think what Roberts was trying to say, in a roundabout way, is that there is a fair amount of difference between 50mm and 70mm FoV, but very little between 135mm and 200mm, in terms of usage.
But you can "zoom with your legs at the wide end of lens". And you can not get closer enough when you shoot distant object with long end.
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I heard from a source in Germany that they expected to be able to sell me the DA*60-250/4 starting from the end of July. I'm kinda counting on that info being correct as I would love to use that lens on Safari in September.

No indication on the price, but I'm expecting it between EUR 1000 and EUR 1200 here in Europe. Guess that will be USD 1000 and USD 1200 in the US... :-( My own private guess...

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No indication on the price, but I'm expecting it between EUR 1000 and EUR 1200 here in Europe. Guess that will be USD 1000 and USD 1200 in the US... :-( My own private guess...
Wim, Pentax (and others) tend to adjust their prices according to US$/€ difference these days. Look at the DA35 macro price here and in the US, it is quite interesting.

The DA60-250/4 might go for 1200 EUR but if such, I expect the US price to be more toward 1600 US$ if not higher.
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I can't concur. Not when you can get the marvelous Sigma 100-300mm f/4 for $1099.99 USD. Sure there can/will be a premium for "*", and HSM/SDM [whatever] and weather sealing... but $500 USD? It's only because of the the bit at the short-end and weather sealing of this Pentax lens that I don't re-consider getting the Sigma zoom [myself]. I'm skeptical the "*" will be that much "better" than the Sigma as it stands.
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Funny enough, I was just looking at reviews of the 100-300. It looks like a winner, especially for the price. If the DA* is $500 more expensive, I'll surely be aiming for the Sigma.
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Wim, Pentax (and others) tend to adjust their prices according to US$/€ difference these days. Look at the DA35 macro price here and in the US, it is quite interesting.

The DA60-250/4 might go for 1200 EUR but if such, I expect the US price to be more toward 1600 US$ if not higher.
Hmm... I would rather have them adjust it the other way around... i.e. USD 1000 to 1200 and EUR 700 to 800... ;-)

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QuoteOriginally posted by ftpaddict Quote
Funny enough, I was just looking at reviews of the 100-300. It looks like a winner, especially for the price. If the DA* is $500 more expensive, I'll surely be aiming for the Sigma.
Well... Sigma will be Sigma... I have owned three Sigma telezooms over a time span of 15 years or more, and none were free of problems. The last one, the EX70-200/2.8 slightly overexposed wide open and exhibited some BF/FF that made the lens difficult to use wide open at shortest focus distance. I've heard worse about the EX100-300/4.

My two DA*s weren't perfect either, but at least after correction they were spot on on the K10D, and the K20D is close to perfect with them. With the Sigma that was never possible. I'm counting on the DA*60-250/4 being considerably better than the Sigma... But of course, if Pentax decides to postpone yet again, I might not have another option than to go with Sigma again... Though I own a FA*300/4.5, in the situation I'll be using it in September the fixed focal length just won't be practical... :-(

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i think this will be THE lens for any pentax user looking for an upgrade from the kit lens.

60-250mm with high quality glass, you cant ask for more.

i know i will buy it when it comes out.
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I spoke to a pentax rep for western canada, for Iam waiting for this lens.It was to come out in Aug. but now postponed till Nov, because of the high demand for the 200 f2.8 and the 300 f4.
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It will be out in Nov and price to be 1499.00 cdn.
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If this is true, it is clear that Pentax needs an other factory.
I hope Hoya will have the balls to invest cash in a new factory.
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QuoteOriginally posted by pentaxdude Quote
I spoke to a pentax rep for western canada, for Iam waiting for this lens.It was to come out in Aug. but now postponed till Nov, because of the high demand for the 200 f2.8 and the 300 f4.
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It will be out in Nov and price to be 1499.00 cdn.
If so, I'm glad I decided to invest in a DA 55-300, although not quite what I expect the DA 60-250 will be, it will serve as a better infill than my Tamron 70-300 and still be a decent travel zoom for the brighter days in summer, or am I kidding myself - Here in the UK?!

Maybe I will also be better able to afford the 60-250 when it finally arrives, or at least a few months later when the price settles!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Ishpuini Quote
Well... Sigma will be Sigma... I have owned three Sigma telezooms over a time span of 15 years or more, and none were free of problems. The last one, the EX70-200/2.8 slightly overexposed wide open and exhibited some BF/FF that made the lens difficult to use wide open at shortest focus distance. I've heard worse about the EX100-300/4.

My two DA*s weren't perfect either, but at least after correction they were spot on on the K10D, and the K20D is close to perfect with them. With the Sigma that was never possible. I'm counting on the DA*60-250/4 being considerably better than the Sigma... But of course, if Pentax decides to postpone yet again, I might not have another option than to go with Sigma again... Though I own a FA*300/4.5, in the situation I'll be using it in September the fixed focal length just won't be practical... :-(

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Hi Wim, I know exactly wht you mean about the Sigmas, I've had the same issues and decided not to revisit.

Why not do what I've decided, get the 55-300? It is a surprisingly decent lens with good colour and contrast, it's only 1 stop slower at 250mm and less at the shorter FL's, plus it's also pretty decent wide open and very good indeed stopped down a bit. I know it doesn't have SDM or WS, but it's always going to be useful as a small lightweight tele-zoom. The challenge is that it's also in short supply.

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