K-3II to be announced soon

jimr-pdx · 04-20-2015, 05:13 PM

Originally posted by SideRaptor

Nothing confirmed but it's been made pretty clear it'll be the new Sony 24mp sensor (likely in the D7200) which has very good IQ. Hopefully Milbeaut M8-M (PRIME IV?) as the processor.

Does this one have onboard PDAF sites? Ah never mind, I'll go read about the 7200 - but I expect sensor PDAF to bring great things in R.Pentax' hands

jaad75 · 04-20-2015, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by Frater

Yes a simple solution would to go for a pro body such as Nikon D750 or higher (or equivalent Canons). That'll bring down the failure rate to a small and reliable one-digit percentage. But it's much more money than I want to spend on the issue resolution.

It depends on subject, focus settings and the frame rate, but it is usually closer to 20% fail rate with those bodies.

Originally posted by Frater

Yes I saw this as well before my purchase, but attributed this to the generally less capable AF of the K-5 (original) they used.

I guess both, the subpar lens and the body are to blame.

Originally posted by Frater

I suspect that a main cause of the AF-C issues may be, that the AF-C may not be sensitive enough for small reductions in the object distance. I.e. the defocus threshold, which is required to recognise a distance change and trigger an adjustment, may be higher than what the shallow DoF can bear.

Sure and it's even less responsive if you use the Extended Area AF function - that's why it's good to use the back button and your thumb to make the AF re-focus more frequently than it would by itself.

Originally posted by jimr-pdx

Does this one have onboard PDAF sites?

I don't think so - it's the older IMX210 that does.

rangercarp · 04-20-2015, 06:52 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by kenspo

Who said anything about Tuesday?

Originally posted by saladin

Everyone!

It is rather amusing... early in the thread someone speculated that an announcement could come as early as Tuesday based on the duration between leaks and formal announcements in the past. A few pages later that had turned into "the announcement is coming Tuesday."

mee · 04-20-2015, 06:55 PM

Originally posted by rangercarp

It is rather amusing... early in the thread someone speculated that an announcement could come as early as Tuesday based on the duration between leaks and formal announcements in the past. A few pages later that had turned into "the announcement is coming Tuesday."

It is the digital version of the Sentence Game.

Wired · 04-20-2015, 07:29 PM - **2 Likes**

I've come to the conclusion that no one knows anything.

elpolodiablo · 04-20-2015, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Wired

I've come to the conclusion that no one knows anything.

Add "on the internet" to the end of the sentence then it's absolute truth.

derekkite · 04-20-2015, 08:30 PM

A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open.

If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening.

Sandy Hancock · 04-20-2015, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by Wired

I've come to the conclusion that no one knows anything.

I would suggest that a very few know quite a lot, but they don't say very much (for very good reasons).

Stavri · 04-20-2015, 08:37 PM

Although the d7200 will be the measuring stick for the new K3ii its too early for such comparisons, Its going to take weeks after its release to really put it through the paces. So for now let's just say the D7200 is a good camera the Pentax we don't know much about it yet.

rawr · 04-20-2015, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Sandy Hancock

I would suggest that a very few know quite a lot, but they don't say very much (for very good reasons).

Pic very related: (an Australian WW2 poster)

gazonk · 04-20-2015, 09:40 PM

And suddenly, nothing happened!

(Will there be any news this week at all?)

Stavri · 04-20-2015, 09:44 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by gazonk

And suddenly, nothing happened!

(Will there be any news this week at all?)

I believe so, Wednesday or Thursday (most probably the latter)

Zygonyx · 04-20-2015, 10:51 PM

Originally posted by derekkite

A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open.

If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening.

Surely... and does D7200 have internal raw development?

Frater · 04-21-2015, 03:51 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open. If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening.

Such happens all the time, also we had the issue in the past. When Hoya changed the company name tag in the PEF files from "PENTAX" to "HOYA", suddenly a lot of 3rd party software wasn't accepting the PEFs any longer, and similar workarounds emerged.

That's probably the reason why the company tag is still PENTAX and not RICOH (if that's still true also for the latest models).
If there are PEF recognition issues again due to a new "unknown" model, no informed person would blame Ricoh (nor Nikon), because it's Adobe's responsibility to support new models in their software.

Actually, if is was programmed properly, the RAW files should be interpreted solely based on metadata, not on model name tags.

Mistral75 · 04-21-2015, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by derekkite

A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open.

If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening.

Four work-arounds for your friend:

How to edit Nikon D7200 files in Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop | Nikon Rumors

04-21-2015, 03:51 AM	#494
Frater Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 143	Originally posted by derekkite A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open. If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening. Such happens all the time, also we had the issue in the past. When Hoya changed the company name tag in the PEF files from "PENTAX" to "HOYA", suddenly a lot of 3rd party software wasn't accepting the PEFs any longer, and similar workarounds emerged. That's probably the reason why the company tag is still PENTAX and not RICOH (if that's still true also for the latest models). If there are PEF recognition issues again due to a new "unknown" model, no informed person would blame Ricoh (nor Nikon), because it's Adobe's responsibility to support new models in their software. Actually, if is was programmed properly, the RAW files should be interpreted solely based on metadata, not on model name tags. Last edited by Frater; 04-21-2015 at 04:06 AM.

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04-20-2015, 05:13 PM	#481
jimr-pdx Pentaxian Join Date: May 2010 Location: now 1 hour north of PDX Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,897	Originally posted by SideRaptor Nothing confirmed but it's been made pretty clear it'll be the new Sony 24mp sensor (likely in the D7200) which has very good IQ. Hopefully Milbeaut M8-M (PRIME IV?) as the processor. Does this one have onboard PDAF sites? Ah never mind, I'll go read about the 7200 - but I expect sensor PDAF to bring great things in R.Pentax' hands

04-20-2015, 06:05 PM	#482
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by Frater Yes a simple solution would to go for a pro body such as Nikon D750 or higher (or equivalent Canons). That'll bring down the failure rate to a small and reliable one-digit percentage. But it's much more money than I want to spend on the issue resolution. It depends on subject, focus settings and the frame rate, but it is usually closer to 20% fail rate with those bodies. Originally posted by Frater Yes I saw this as well before my purchase, but attributed this to the generally less capable AF of the K-5 (original) they used. I guess both, the subpar lens and the body are to blame. Originally posted by Frater I suspect that a main cause of the AF-C issues may be, that the AF-C may not be sensitive enough for small reductions in the object distance. I.e. the defocus threshold, which is required to recognise a distance change and trigger an adjustment, may be higher than what the shallow DoF can bear. Sure and it's even less responsive if you use the Extended Area AF function - that's why it's good to use the back button and your thumb to make the AF re-focus more frequently than it would by itself. Originally posted by jimr-pdx Does this one have onboard PDAF sites? I don't think so - it's the older IMX210 that does.

04-20-2015, 06:52 PM - 2 Likes	#483
rangercarp Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Southern Michigan Posts: 437	Originally posted by kenspo Who said anything about Tuesday? Originally posted by saladin Everyone! It is rather amusing... early in the thread someone speculated that an announcement could come as early as Tuesday based on the duration between leaks and formal announcements in the past. A few pages later that had turned into "the announcement is coming Tuesday."

04-20-2015, 06:55 PM	#484
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by rangercarp It is rather amusing... early in the thread someone speculated that an announcement could come as early as Tuesday based on the duration between leaks and formal announcements in the past. A few pages later that had turned into "the announcement is coming Tuesday." It is the digital version of the Sentence Game.

04-20-2015, 07:29 PM - 2 Likes	#485
Wired Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Edmonton, AB Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,519	I've come to the conclusion that no one knows anything.

04-20-2015, 07:34 PM	#486
elpolodiablo Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Sydney, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,637	Originally posted by Wired I've come to the conclusion that no one knows anything. Add "on the internet" to the end of the sentence then it's absolute truth.

04-20-2015, 08:30 PM	#487
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open. If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening.

04-20-2015, 08:35 PM	#488
Sandy Hancock Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Adelaide Hills, South Australia Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,272	Originally posted by Wired I've come to the conclusion that no one knows anything. I would suggest that a very few know quite a lot, but they don't say very much (for very good reasons).

04-20-2015, 08:37 PM	#489
Stavri Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,832	Although the d7200 will be the measuring stick for the new K3ii its too early for such comparisons, Its going to take weeks after its release to really put it through the paces. So for now let's just say the D7200 is a good camera the Pentax we don't know much about it yet.

04-20-2015, 09:39 PM	#490
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Sandy Hancock I would suggest that a very few know quite a lot, but they don't say very much (for very good reasons). Pic very related: (an Australian WW2 poster)

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04-20-2015, 09:40 PM	#491
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	And suddenly, nothing happened! (Will there be any news this week at all?)

04-20-2015, 09:44 PM - 1 Like	#492
Stavri Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: at a Bean & Leaf Photos: Albums Posts: 1,832	Originally posted by gazonk And suddenly, nothing happened! (Will there be any news this week at all?) I believe so, Wednesday or Thursday (most probably the latter)

04-20-2015, 10:51 PM	#493
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by derekkite A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open. If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening. Surely... and does D7200 have internal raw development?

04-21-2015, 03:59 AM	#495
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by derekkite A friend just got the D7200. Works well, focus is nice, but the nef files can't be opened with his software. It won't save in dng for some reason. While he waits for a software update he edits the files in a text editor, changing D7200 to D5500 or something so it will open. If Pentax pulled a stunt like that the Pentax is Dead chorus would be deafening. Four work-arounds for your friend: How to edit Nikon D7200 files in Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop \| Nikon Rumors