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04-22-2015, 02:56 AM - 2 Likes   #586
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In the end, this is about choice. I don't understand why people are upset that Ricoh is offering another choice to Pentaxians. If you need a pop up flash and wifi, there is always a K-S2. If you want a pop up flash and can deal with a flu card, there is the original K3.

Clearly, there wasn't space for everything and they decided they were going to include some features and leave others out. Maybe it was all they could do with the existing body they were working with. Maybe there was a particular price point they didn't want to go over. Maybe they just didn't think upper end users use the pop flash that much.

It doesn't really matter. The question is whether the new body is something that you need/want or not. If you are happy with what you have now, then keep shooting in good health, this camera isn't for you and its release will not in any way diminish the other cameras that Pentax offers.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
In the end, this is about choice. I don't understand why people are upset that Ricoh is offering another choice to Pentaxians. If you need a pop up flash and wifi, there is always a K-S2. If you want a pop up flash and can deal with a flu card, there is the original K3.

Clearly, there wasn't space for everything and they decided they were going to include some features and leave others out. Maybe it was all they could do with the existing body they were working with. Maybe there was a particular price point they didn't want to go over. Maybe they just didn't think upper end users use the pop flash that much.

It doesn't really matter. The question is whether the new body is something that you need/want or not. If you are happy with what you have now, then keep shooting in good health, this camera isn't for you and its release will not in any way diminish the other cameras that Pentax offers.
I think the point is that for many people in this thread it was a surprising move by Ricoh.

It's also not really about choice. OK, at the moment the K-3 and K-3II will be available new alongside each other but it's not going to be long before the K-3 runs out of stock. For me it's about the future and whether future K's in this line also lack the flash. It's Ricoh signposting that this choice will be gone in the near future. That's the problem.
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I guess the "problem" with viewing the models simply as a choice is that one wants (some of) the improvements of the newer model, without having to give up anything one is used to having.
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QuoteOriginally posted by bxf Quote
I guess the "problem" with viewing the models simply as a choice is that one wants (some of) the improvements of the newer model, without having to give up anything one is used to having.
Yeah, well...
Nobody complains because the Ferrari can't move 5 people at the same time, or do some?
You take the same cam, you upgrade 4-5 points. You replace one with another one (which btw, allows to have both a GPS connected and a flash which was impossible before) and people moan like sh*t because of the last point. Give me a break.

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I actually start to doubt that Ricoh dropped the flash, because this would have been an unplausible shot into their foot (for any camera aimed also for outdoor and adventure use, with its compactness, robustness, and weather resistance). Having to carry and use an external flash would be neither a compact nor a robust nor a weather resistant setup. It would just spoil the entire kit.

Remember this is a Google translated feature list. How easily can creep a wrong word into that.

Also, why would a company want to explicitly mention in a feature list, what's NOT going to be included.

That's all too strange for me. I'll stop commenting on the alleged flash loss disaster until tomorrow, when we have a feature list in better English.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Frater Quote
I actually start to doubt that Ricoh dropped the flash,
There is no flash logo on the former flash release button and there are screws in de top cap that would prevent it from popping up.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frater Quote
I actually start to doubt that Ricoh dropped the flash, because this would have been an unplausible shot into their foot (for any camera aimed also for outdoor and adventure use, with its compactness, robustness, and weather resistance). Having to carry and use an external flash would be neither a compact nor a robust nor a weather resistant setup. It would just spoil the entire kit.

Remember this is a Google translated feature list. How easily can creep a wrong word into that.

Also, why would a company want to explicitly mention in a feature list, what's NOT going to be included.

That's all too strange for me. I'll stop commenting on the alleged flash loss disaster until tomorrow, when we have a feature list in better English.

Hear this, you foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear (Jeremiah 5:21):

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I think removing the flash has something to do with the dust and water proof feature. Probably this is no longer a WR product but an AW product. Better sealing with lesser moving parts. It's just a hunch.

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Im still not 100% convinced.
The rounded gap on the back of the flash lid (if it is one) may suggest it can popup?
The screw may not fix the lid to the body, but maybe it fixes an internal flash to the lid?
Maybe the button is on the other side now?

On the other hand, the gap between lid and body is barely visible.

I admit I'm entering the stage of desperate wishful thinking now. Hope dies last.

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Just my two-penn'orth... I have an OPS-1 because I like to geotag my photos, but I would prefer GPS built into the camera as this will give me the option to fit an external flash (I can't use the built-in flash with the OPS-1 on my camera anyway). Lack of WiFi did surprise me a bit, but maybe that has something to do with the metal chassis of the camera. However, I never use WiFi anyway, and there is always the flu card option. I can't think of much I need that the K-3 does not already give me, but I will take any improvement in autofocus and image quality I can get. These are paramount to me: I don't need any other "features", though I recognise they may be useful for some people and for bragging rights. I am going to buy the FF when it appears, but my immediate decision is whether I buy a K-3 II. That's a tough one, given that the K-3 already exceeds what I can do as a photographer but, knowing me, it will probably find a place in my camera bag.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Qwntm Quote
I think Ricoh should do away with the white balance modes and add a cell phone feature. Or remove the RAW file formats and add a note pad feature...


My main point is that a flash actually DIRECTLY affects the look of your photograph. GPS and wifi, not so much.


It's supposed to be a camera. Where and what are the philosophical design priorities in removing a flash and adding a GPS? Continue down that road and evolutionarily some day you might end up making cappuccinos with your camera instead of taking photos.
I agree, but it seems there is still upgrade in photo ability in the K-3 II versus initial version, so i am not that angry, provided there is a "free" AF201FG in the regular kits.

@ Mistral : yes we see the screw, but you will recieve warning unless you remove your quote

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I have tried really hard to resist commenting on this thread, but the nonsense level is getting deafening.
Final specs are yet to come, and even the nay-sayers might yet change their tune.

BUT....

If you want WiFi right now, get a K-S2.
If you want a swivel screen, get the K-S2.
If you really can't stand carrying a flash, get a K-S2 or K-3 mark I.

Just STOP WHINGING!!
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If I didn't have a K-3 already I'd buy this mini-FF pre-order just to enjoy the camera while so many others wait for the "real" user reviews, the lower price or something else.

As it is I'll buy the FF, which will probably have this configuration and more. The KS-2 looks nice but I don't need or want that feature set. I neeed THIS feature set - and a 201FG.

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oh, and the curious "Improved Anchimoare function" should have been translated as "Improved Anti-moire function"

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
If I didn't have a K-3 already I'd buy this mini-FF pre-order just to enjoy the camera while so many others wait for the "real" user reviews, the lower price or something else.

As it is I'll buy the FF, which will probably have this configuration and more. The KS-2 looks nice but I don't need or want that feature set. I neeed THIS feature set - and a 201FG.
I will have both this and the FF in my bag at all jobs. Cant wait. Both my K-3's has served me well and will get a deserved retirement
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