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04-22-2015, 08:18 AM   #646
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
Think its best i stop posting. I get flagged and recive warnings..
Yes, most of us can hold our impatience for eight hours.

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Don't discount the possibility that Pentax considers removing the flash to a positive model differentiator - that they did it on purpose, to be different, because they think the camera will be better received by their target buyers that way. They make other camera bodies that have an on-board flash. What if the objectors aren't their target buyers?

What if their attitude is, "If you want a camera with these features, of this IQ, AND an on-board flash - and you think you can get it elsewhere - well, ya gotta do what ya gotta do"?
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
Yes, most of us can hold our impatience for eight hours.
good "Inappropriate conduct"..Will have to re-think what i write..haha
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Don't discount the possibility that Pentax considers removing the flash to a positive model differentiator - that the did it on purpose, to be different, because they think the camera will be better received by their target buyers that way. They make other camera bodies that have an on-board flash.

What if their attitude is, "If you want a camera with these features, of this IQ, AND an on-board flash - and you think you can get it elsewhere, well, ya gotta do what ya gotta do."
True. I kind of figured that would be why the FF wasn't going to have an onboard flash, it was a surprise to me that they would do it for their APS-C line as well.

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Here's the official guide to some of the K3ii features (prematurely released from Adorama), Mistral was kind enough to save a copy for us.
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True. I kind of figured that would be why the FF wasn't going to have an onboard flash, it was a surprise to me that they would do it for their APS-C line as well.
It could also be a trial run for the full-frame camera; maybe they have made the K-3ii as much like the full-frame camera as they can. They may be carefully watching how the K-3ii is received in case they need to make some last minute adjustments to the full-frame variant (and then slide its intro date a tad). As I have commented multiple times, we are all "shooting in the dark" (i.e., we are all just guessing).
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
No flash is an usp for the K3II (among other things) there are no other aps-c dslrs without a pop up flash.
APS-C DSLR right, but Fuji X-T1 or Olympus E-M1 don't have internal flash either.
But : externat flash is always provided with X-T1 body for example.
Doing so with K-3II and adding only 100 bucks to the invoice would be an appropriate marketing arrangement....
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frater Quote
Don't know if you didn't know, but this is what I'm doing already since 2013, w/o the need for an expensive camera GPS unit.

My Garmin etrex 20 records my track while I'm hiking or driving. It creates and stores a track file on its SD card. A track is just a dense chain of positions, each tagged with the satellite's time.

Back at home, some software (in my case: GeoSetter) reads all recorded tracks, and transfers track positions to my files' metadata.


Someone could use his/her smartphone as well, instead of a Garmin. There are apps around from recording tracks to full-blown offline navigation.

This is what I meant when I said, that the GPS inclusion into cameras is redundant for those already having already a GPS device with them (such as a smartphone, a handheld GPS, or a car GPS).

Having the GPS in cam has the advantage of course, that this adds some comfort and relief for those, which want an as-easy-as-possible solution w/o the requirement to get familar with geotagging with smartphone apps and the help of 3rd party helper software.
Everyone knows this. And it is extremely inconvenient. I have GPS on the phone too, it isn't exactly new to anyone these days.

Having the GPS in the camera is not at all redundant: it is implemented exactly the way it should.

Why should anyone prefer the need to 'get familiar with apps and 3rd party software'? Because they want to experience more hardship and inconvenience? I have much better things to do on my spare time than that.

You don't like the model then don't buy it, very simple.

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I think it is wrong to assume, that everyone who travels to explore landscapes and cities just throws a cheapo cam into their luggage, so that a K-3(ii) would be too expensive. Remember Leica M. Or think about Fuji X-T1. Or Olympus. These are examples of very compact and expensive high-end systems, perfect for the ambitious (or even perfectionist) city traveller or hiking landscape explorer.
I'm not sure anyone's assuming that people use cheapo cameras for travel photography. In any case, the KS-2 is hardly a cheapo camera, nor is the K-50 for that matter (although it's inexpensive). Either of those cameras is fine for travel if you need a camera with a built-in flash.

As for the Leica M, the Fuji XT-1, and the Olympus EM-5 and EM-1 cameras: yes, those are more expensive lightweight travel cameras. But none of those cameras come with a built-in flash! (Nor does the Sony A7 series of cameras.) So for those arguing that the K-3ii should have a built-in flash so it can check the lightweight travel camera box, well, many of the top compact mirrorless bodies lack that built-in flash as well.

Pentax is trying to produce a pro caliber APS-C camera. The "pro" designation does not mean gear only fit for professional use. It just means that it's gear for photographers who have a no compromise attitude when it comes to producing images. For such photographers, a built-in flash constitutes too much of a compromise. If you want the best possible image and you need extra light, you'll bring real flashes. And you'll probably use those flashes off the camera.
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Has anyone started a "Why I won't buy a K-3 II" thread yet?
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Has anyone started a "Why I won't buy a K-3 II" thread yet?
I thought this (or the K-3II specs thread) was the "Why I won't buy a K-3 II" thread...
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Having been disabused of the notion that the K-3 is a K-5, (boriscleto'ed™) now must redirect our attention by claiming the K-3 / K3II is a lightweight travel camera. People who want to travel with a GOOD camera will obviously choose a Fuji (or Leica) hipster travel camera. No one who knows anything would ever be caught with a lowly Pentax. They're for the flatlanders, the flyovers and the lowly consumers.

These are classic Alinsky tactics. Brother went to an elite school and learned his anarchist / socialist history very well.

Identify. Isolate. Other. Destroy.
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I also hope they use the newer version of the 24 megapixel sensor.
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I think some people are forgetting that the GPS is also there for the astrotracer. Look at the Astrotracer unit. Now take that and put it in a k-3. It doesn't fit!

Now take off the flash, strip the astrotracer, and see what happens? Tadaaa, k-3II!

Anyways, I wish I knew they were going to do this because then I'd have waited for the k-3II
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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
Don't discount the probability that at least some of these people are actually paid to spread FUD.
I suppose so. I probably should just ignore people who are stirring the pot. It is just frustrating when every new release is punctuated by crazy Pentaxians or pseudo Pentaxians coming out of the wood work to shoot holes in the new offering for what it isn't.
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