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04-22-2015, 03:37 PM   #721
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
Find this very strange Even if they use the same sensor, it has been remade in a very better way. Beside better AF-C, i was told that the ISO handling would be noticeable better. Will have to makes some calls tomorrow
It will be better in 4 shot hr low noise mode ofcourse. Maybe you could get them to name de part name IMX271 or IMX193 Sony Global - Products The 271 doensn't seem necessary if you are not going to use the speed.

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Flash on my K-3 is dead, haven't missed it. Now if they built in third party wireless trigger support or did a deal with a specialist like Cactus, then that would be a big deal. Looking forward to the sensor shift imaging tech, may be a big deal, jury is still out on that. Happy with AF-S, but not a wildlife photographer, but I can still get good karting shots by prefocussing and panning. Catch in focus does the job too!
One thing I would like to say however, those with low forum participation, who express their opinions fairly vehemently, especially those who seem to jump systems fairly frequently, can you please just STFU! Since Pentax reached the top tier of APS-C with the K-5, the quality of threads has dropped quite noticeably with converts coming in and moaning about this and that. Pentax do not design their products for the maximum ease of use or lowest common denominator of user intelligence, they design for best image quality to be obtained from an experienced, reasonably intelligent user in the smallest, highest quality form factor. In simple terms, if you are using a K-(5,3,etc,etc), Pentax will assume quite rightly that you know your arse from your elbow where photographic technique is concerned.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I do not question your enthusiasm but you realize this is hearsay, don't you? Hearsay from people whose job is to be convincing enough so that, as a Pentax ambassador, you will then evangelize the masses.
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No, not exactly. My ambassador deal is nothing like that. I not there to sell or evangelize the masses. My main duty is to be shown in the pro marked. Show other pros that Pentax is back. And to give rapports back on everything i feel needed to say. What is my own experience with the gear, and what i hear from others. I have it in my agreement that i can speak freely about how i feel about Pentax and all the gear i use. I am not obligated to be here or in other social medias as an ambassador at all. All this time i spend here and on other places, i do ONLY by my own enthusiasm. I am not the kind of ambassador you maybe think i am. This is why i so often have meetings with them too..So i all the time know their plans, what they are working on and what is coming when. And tell them when i think something is wrong and what is missing etc. So please don't accuse me of being something i am not.
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
I am not accusing you. Of anything. Just pointing out that you can be 'oriented' without your knowledge.
This is turning into a War of Wits !
Please, gentlemen, relax !

Let's just have fun reading this thread and learn a few things.

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04-22-2015, 03:43 PM   #724
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
It will be better in 4 shot hr low noise mode ofcourse. Maybe you could get them to name de part name IMX271 or IMX193 Sony Global - Products The 271 doensn't seem necessary if you are not going to use the speed.
I will call first thing tomorrow. Not shure if I'm happy about this.

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@jpzk i am calm..always hehe

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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
I will call first thing tomorrow. Not shure if I'm happy about this.
Remember:
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
(...) people whose job is to be convincing enough so that, as a Pentax ambassador, you will then evangelize the masses.
QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
(...) you can be 'oriented' without your knowledge.
P.S.: nothing personal, kenspo, I appreciate your work and your dedication to the Pentax brand. And there is definitely no battle between us, of Wits or any other kind.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Mistral75 Quote
P.S.: nothing personal, kenspo, I appreciate your work and your dedication to the Pentax brand.
I don't take it personal. I stick my head out there on my own. But if i get told wrong info, its not to evangelize the masses. That would backfire. There is a few people who will receive a phonecall from me, even before i've made the first cup of coffee.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
Think its best i stop posting. I get flagged and recive warnings..
I've entertained that train of thought many times. But then, I have a stubborn streak a mile wide.

I've been assigned so many warnings etc. I know which moderator has taken it on themselves to correct my errant behaviour by the syntax of the warning.

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QuoteOriginally posted by normhead Quote
I've entertained that train of thought many times. But then, I have a stubborn streak a mile wide.

I've been assigned so many warnings etc. I know which moderator has taken it on themselves to correct my errant behaviour by the syntax of the warning.
I've never gotten that astute, but by checking which Mods are online I can pretty correctly moderate my tone.

Of course every time my tone becomes immoderate I forget to check which Mods are here

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Everyone has a right to their opinion regarding the significance of on-board flash use, especially if you have worked extensively with pTTL, real TTL, auto, ratio, studio lighting, ring, RF, etc. The idea that - all other things being equal with a camera - you are better off without an on-board flash - because its just marketing, or it makes you less professional is an emotional response without rational basis, however. The K-3 has ratio flash to provide the perfect amount of eye area fill to add a natural look to eyes (when combined with other, stronger light sources). As none of these other light sources have the ability to be conveniently triggered from close to the optics, on-board is extremely useful for these situations - when used intelligently. You also have the ability to work with light modifiers (Demb Pop-Up most notably) to create soft multi-flash effects. This can be essential for subjects who are unsettled by larger flash set ups, or even a ring light. The intimidation of these unknown elements can register in uneasy expressions, especially in children. If nothing else, on occasion someone will ask for a shot that wasn't in the plan, and simply requires portable lighting. As such, I always have an on-board flash modifier with me on shoots even in situations where no flash situations are anticipated.

It will have to be an extremely impressive new feature to supplant the on-board flash option. The GPS rationale doesn't cut it for me. Perhaps the K-3ii will simply prove to be a stripped down version of the K-3?
A very rational and reasonable response. Thanks.


Yes, everyone has their own preference for whether or not they want a flash or GPS inside the pyramid. The thing that irks me is when people mistake their own personal preferences for actual knowledge of the market and presume that if a camera is not specified for their needs then it will most surely fail.
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
My point was that whoever added flash to high-end cameras (was it the same Canon crew that gave us the awful black "stealth" cameras?) may have just done it as a marketing move.
IIRC it was the Pentax SF-1
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So here is another thought on the loss of the onboard flash:
If you want both GPS/Astrotracer and flash how do you do that?
  • Flash on board and GPS external? Nope, won't work, the flash will not popup with the O-GPS unit on and no external flash can be attached.
  • GPS on board and flash on board? Might be the best solution but maybe there is no room for both. And the popup flash does not play well with larger lenses.
  • GPS on board and flash external? Yep, that works.
I can understand the lamenting from those that used the on board flash. No one wants to see something they used go away. For me, I've taken over 20,000 images in the last two years and have not used the popup flash once. However, I do geotag every shot that is taken outside of the studio. But if I wanted to geotag and use a flash I could not do that. Now you can.

If you look at it from the standpoint of engineers saying "how can we accomplish this" then the loss of the onboard flash is the only way to go. I know that does not help those that are upset by its loss but perhaps following the logic it at least makes sense.

The loss of the onboard flash for slave triggering is another matter. I don't use that as I use radio triggers but for those that do use that feature what do they do now? I'm very much hoping that radio control for flash is also built in. Seems unlikely since the specs are now published, mostly, but that would make a lot of sense if there is not going to be an onboard flash controller any more.
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QuoteOriginally posted by boriscleto Quote
IIRC it was the Pentax SF-1
What a brick that is.
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I hope they implement an enhanced sensor shift mode that takes away one of my chins, reduces my belly and finally, puts some of my chest hair onto my scalp. I'd pay more for that enhanced firmware!
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
  • GPS on board and flash on board? Might be the best solution but maybe there is no room for both. And the popup flash does not play well with larger lenses..
Of course there should be room for both. Other camera makers accompished this as well, or haven't they?

Therefore, for now I only can imagine a business motivation for dropping the internal flash, which is to generate additional revenue by motivating purchases for external flash units.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Frater Quote
Of course there should be room for both. Other camera makers accompished this as well, or haven't they?

Therefore, for now I only can imagine a business motivation for dropping the internal flash, which is to generate additional revenue by motivating purchases for external flash units.
I can only imagine that most folks who would buy a K3 II already own an external flash. I think we have to take it that there wasn't space for both in the K3 body and Pentax wasn't ready to change the body. It was whatever they could shoe horn into it.
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