K-3II to be announced soon

kenspo · 04-22-2015, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan

No, no, no! They will get bored. Send them to me!!

Not shure how Ricoh would react to that..I can say i lost them maybe?

**filoxophy** · 04-22-2015, 05:18 AM

Originally posted by Frater

Having to carry and use an external flash would be neither a compact nor a robust nor a weather resistant setup. It would just spoil the entire kit.

And people who wanted GPS/Astrotracer previously could have made the exact same comment about the O-GPS1 unit.

Don't get me wrong, it would be cool if they had maintained the built in flash. But since they are using the same K-3 body, maybe it was impractical. Who knows, the next iteration of the APS-C flagship might have both.

**boriscleto** · 04-22-2015, 05:20 AM - **1 Like**

It has a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™

It doesn't have a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™

Frater · 04-22-2015, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by filoxophy

And people who wanted GPS/Astrotracer previously could have made the exact same comment about the O-GPS1 unit.

But the O-GPS1 as part of a kit would have been nicer than loosing the Flash IMO. The O-GPS1 is small, light, looks good, almost sexy when mounted, a nice eye catcher making others curious or jealous, and is much more compact than a bulky external system flash unit.

The built-in GPS, on the other hand, shares most likely the tiny and cheapo design used as mass products in smartphones. Someone with higher sensitivity and reliability demands in the wilderness will need to have a proper unit anyway, e.g. from Garmin.

Originally posted by filoxophy

Don't get me wrong, it would be cool if they had maintained the built in flash. But since they are using the same K-3 body, maybe it was impractical. Who knows, the next iteration of the APS-C flagship might have both.

Another good idea comes into my mind. What if Ricoh could mitigate the flash loss issue by inventing a tiny foldeable flash unit, not bigger than the external GPS unit (but extractable to gain height). Maybe with a few super-bright white LEDs, if this helps keeping things tiny?

Last edited by Frater; 04-22-2015 at 05:51 AM.

johnmflores · 04-22-2015, 05:48 AM - **1 Like**

I gotta admit that the built-in flash of the K-3, K-5, and others before it have done one thing reliably and consistently for me over the years...make me wish I had brought a real flash along.

totsmuyco · 04-22-2015, 05:56 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

I will have both this and the FF in my bag at all jobs. Cant wait. Both my K-3's has served me well and will get a deserved retirement

Again, lucky you. You get it for free and get paid using it.

kenspo · 04-22-2015, 05:58 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

Again, lucky you. You get it for free and get paid using it.

Still have to do much other work to get the wheels to turn

But yes, i am in a lucky position. I can't say different

**monochrome** · 04-22-2015, 06:01 AM

Quote:

This message is hidden because Frater is on your boriscleto™ list.

In about half a day I'll want to remove this member just to read his blustering objections to the actual feature set of the new K-5II.

Frater · 04-22-2015, 06:14 AM

Originally posted by boriscleto

It has a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™
It doesn't have a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™

No, of course Pentax isn't doomed because of the K-3ii having or not having a pop-up-flash.

It's just that the K-3ii will have another issue giving it a harder time standing against e.g. the Nikon D7200, which wouldn't have been necessary. I assume the tiny flash lights are cheap, so that it's not about costs.

The resolution enhancement thing doesn't set off much, because essentially it is for indoor stills use only.
Outdoors in the wind, too many things move all the time (leaves, twigs, flowers, clouds, water surfaces), which would introduce severe false color artefacts all over the image, as R/G/B channels would be recorded at different times.

Even long distance objects wobble slightly all the time due to atmospheric turbulences. I'm not talking about photography in deserts or canyons, also astro photographers know about this.

But it'll be fine for photographing test targets at home

I'm 100% confident that we'll se a lot of crops from the inner area of Siemens stars.

thibs · 04-22-2015, 06:16 AM

Originally posted by dcshooter

OK, now you are just trolling.

Of course he is, he was before and he stil is.
Won't continue for weeks hopefully. Any mod help? Please?

goodnight · 04-22-2015, 06:19 AM

Perhaps packages will come along bundling the K-3II with the AF201FG at a discount.

normhead · 04-22-2015, 06:25 AM - **1 Like**

Built in GPS good, no swivel screen, bad.

Kunzite · 04-22-2015, 06:31 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

It seems the Japanese have no word for anti-moire so they phoneticized the English one. How Google translates that back to Anchimoare is a mystery.

Actually it isn't; it was most likely converted from katakana. And in katakana there is no 'ti' but there is a 'chi' which they used instead.

**monochrome** · 04-22-2015, 06:31 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Built in GPS good,

Yep!

Originally posted by normhead

no swivel screen, bad.

We'll have to wait for the next complete body redesign. K-3 body is essentially the K-7 with slight modifications.

What new body does logic tell you will be the base for the next several generations of both flaghships (and maybe a true mid-range, K-Sx series aside), and what body feature(s) do you think it will introduce?

Mistral75 · 04-22-2015, 06:43 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

(...)

What new body does logic tell you will be the base for the next several generations of both flaghships (and maybe a true mid-range, K-Sx series aside), and what body feature(s) do you think it will introduce?

I wonder...

04-22-2015, 06:01 AM	#608
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Quote: This message is hidden because Frater is on your boriscleto™ list. In about half a day I'll want to remove this member just to read his blustering objections to the actual feature set of the new K-5II. Last edited by monochrome; 04-22-2015 at 06:22 AM.

04-22-2015, 06:14 AM	#609
Frater Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 143	Originally posted by boriscleto It has a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™ It doesn't have a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™ No, of course Pentax isn't doomed because of the K-3ii having or not having a pop-up-flash. It's just that the K-3ii will have another issue giving it a harder time standing against e.g. the Nikon D7200, which wouldn't have been necessary. I assume the tiny flash lights are cheap, so that it's not about costs. The resolution enhancement thing doesn't set off much, because essentially it is for indoor stills use only. Outdoors in the wind, too many things move all the time (leaves, twigs, flowers, clouds, water surfaces), which would introduce severe false color artefacts all over the image, as R/G/B channels would be recorded at different times. Even long distance objects wobble slightly all the time due to atmospheric turbulences. I'm not talking about photography in deserts or canyons, also astro photographers know about this. But it'll be fine for photographing test targets at home I'm 100% confident that we'll se a lot of crops from the inner area of Siemens stars. Last edited by Frater; 04-22-2015 at 06:34 AM.

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04-22-2015, 05:12 AM	#601
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Cynog Ap Brychan No, no, no! They will get bored. Send them to me!! Not shure how Ricoh would react to that..I can say i lost them maybe?

04-22-2015, 05:18 AM	#602
filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,132	Originally posted by Frater Having to carry and use an external flash would be neither a compact nor a robust nor a weather resistant setup. It would just spoil the entire kit. And people who wanted GPS/Astrotracer previously could have made the exact same comment about the O-GPS1 unit. Don't get me wrong, it would be cool if they had maintained the built in flash. But since they are using the same K-3 body, maybe it was impractical. Who knows, the next iteration of the APS-C flagship might have both.

04-22-2015, 05:20 AM - 1 Like	#603
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,473	It has a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™ It doesn't have a pop-up flash, PentaxIsDooomed™

04-22-2015, 05:44 AM	#604
Frater Senior Member Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 143	Originally posted by filoxophy And people who wanted GPS/Astrotracer previously could have made the exact same comment about the O-GPS1 unit. But the O-GPS1 as part of a kit would have been nicer than loosing the Flash IMO. The O-GPS1 is small, light, looks good, almost sexy when mounted, a nice eye catcher making others curious or jealous, and is much more compact than a bulky external system flash unit. The built-in GPS, on the other hand, shares most likely the tiny and cheapo design used as mass products in smartphones. Someone with higher sensitivity and reliability demands in the wilderness will need to have a proper unit anyway, e.g. from Garmin. Originally posted by filoxophy Don't get me wrong, it would be cool if they had maintained the built in flash. But since they are using the same K-3 body, maybe it was impractical. Who knows, the next iteration of the APS-C flagship might have both. Another good idea comes into my mind. What if Ricoh could mitigate the flash loss issue by inventing a tiny foldeable flash unit, not bigger than the external GPS unit (but extractable to gain height). Maybe with a few super-bright white LEDs, if this helps keeping things tiny? Last edited by Frater; 04-22-2015 at 05:51 AM.

04-22-2015, 05:48 AM - 1 Like	#605
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	I gotta admit that the built-in flash of the K-3, K-5, and others before it have done one thing reliably and consistently for me over the years...make me wish I had brought a real flash along.

04-22-2015, 05:56 AM	#606
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Originally posted by kenspo I will have both this and the FF in my bag at all jobs. Cant wait. Both my K-3's has served me well and will get a deserved retirement Again, lucky you. You get it for free and get paid using it.

04-22-2015, 05:58 AM	#607
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by totsmuyco Again, lucky you. You get it for free and get paid using it. Still have to do much other work to get the wheels to turn But yes, i am in a lucky position. I can't say different

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thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by dcshooter OK, now you are just trolling. Of course he is, he was before and he stil is. Won't continue for weeks hopefully. Any mod help? Please?

04-22-2015, 06:19 AM	#611
goodnight Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 128	Perhaps packages will come along bundling the K-3II with the AF201FG at a discount.

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04-22-2015, 06:31 AM - 1 Like	#613
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by D1N0 It seems the Japanese have no word for anti-moire so they phoneticized the English one. How Google translates that back to Anchimoare is a mystery. Actually it isn't; it was most likely converted from katakana. And in katakana there is no 'ti' but there is a 'chi' which they used instead.

04-22-2015, 06:31 AM	#614
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by normhead Built in GPS good, Yep! Originally posted by normhead no swivel screen, bad. We'll have to wait for the next complete body redesign. K-3 body is essentially the K-7 with slight modifications. What new body does logic tell you will be the base for the next several generations of both flaghships (and maybe a true mid-range, K-Sx series aside), and what body feature(s) do you think it will introduce?

04-22-2015, 06:43 AM - 1 Like	#615
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,526	Originally posted by monochrome (...) What new body does logic tell you will be the base for the next several generations of both flaghships (and maybe a true mid-range, K-Sx series aside), and *what body* feature(s) do you think it will introduce?** I wonder...