Specs of K-3II

**Rorschach** · 04-21-2015, 02:32 PM

Originally posted by jonby

Well, I wasn't expecting a huge upgrade or changes in this version so to be honest I'm pleasantly surprised. The pixel-shifting thing is a pretty substantial new feature, as is the GPS, and the AF/sensor upgrades could be pretty significant - we don't know yet. For me, the pixel-shifting is probably the most significant thing if it works well. We'll have to wait and see how it works, but personally I'm hoping it will output 24MP raw files with improvements to noise, colour detail and artifacting, rather than bloated high pixel-count images (or at least have this as an option).

I don't care in the slightest about wi-fi. Slightly bothered about the flash but not much - maybe it will be worth losing it for the GPS. I'm a bit ignorant on GPS - can anyone tell me what the main benefits are?

My other slight disappointment is that I thought that with the changes to the viewfinder hump, they may be trialing a new viewfinder info system in advance of FF, which may use something like this to show the APS-C frame and possibly other crop options. Not going to cry about it though. Overall, a nice upgrade which will keep Pentax in the public eye until the FF release.

Yeah, I am definitely still intrigued by this camera. Though the left out wifi sounds strange. Easier to understand no flipscreen as that would maybe have required substantial changes on the body itself...this is a K3 II after all, not K2.

kenspo · 04-21-2015, 02:34 PM - **1 Like**

I am not allowed to say so much yet, but it is a NEW sensor all coming cameras.

**crewl1** · 04-21-2015, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

I am not allowed to say so much yet, but it is a NEW sensor all coming cameras.

Ahhhh why!? If they get me back the IQ of my K-5 with K-3 performance I am going to have to consider an upgrade. Grrrrrrrrrr!

D1N0 · 04-21-2015, 02:38 PM

so also a new sensor in the FF not the one in the D610 or the A7r

JinDesu · 04-21-2015, 02:38 PM

I'm grumpy that I got the k-3 instead of the k-3IIs.

**mattb123** · 04-21-2015, 02:39 PM - **1 Like**

So I guess there may still be a market for my Flu Card then...

kenspo · 04-21-2015, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

so also a new sensor in the FF not the one in the D610 or the A7r

jaad75 · 04-21-2015, 02:51 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by D1N0

The sensor in the K-3 was already quite old. It was in the Nex-7 and A77 and probably some Nikons before it came in the K-3.

Nope. The NEX-7 and A77 used the oldest IMX096. Nikon were using Renesas sensor for the D3200 and Toshiba for the D7100 and D5200, then switched back to Sony with the D5300 and D5500 using the IMX193, which is probably the same sensor that Ricoh put in the K-3. And now there is a rumor that the D7200 uses the newest IMX271, but I'm not so sure about it...

Stickl · 04-21-2015, 02:57 PM

I will buy this if the sensor is in same level with K-5 II in terms of noise and dynamic range. That's all I need. Of course the AF has to be at least in the samel level than it is in K-3.

D1N0 · 04-21-2015, 03:04 PM

Originally posted by jaad75

Nope. The NEX-7 and A77 used the oldest IMX096. Nikon were using Renesas sensor for the D3200 and Toshiba for the D7100 and D5200, then switched back to Sony with the D5300 and D5500 using the IMX193, which is probably the same sensor that Ricoh put in the K-3. And now there is a rumor that the D7200 uses the newest IMX271, but I'm not so sure about it...

That maybe right, but I didn't see much difference between them. according to this site (translate) the IMX271 is also in the a6000: Google Translate

jaad75 · 04-21-2015, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

That maybe right, but I didn't see much difference between them.

There is at least one - IMX096 could be read at 12fps, and the newer IMX193 does just 8.7fps.

Originally posted by D1N0

according to this site (translate) the IMX271 is also in the a6000:

Wrong. It's the IMX210 with on chip phase detection.
https://twitter.com/cwimagesensors/status/544587971416961025

bobell69 · 04-21-2015, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by CRPhoto

To turn it off?

I wonder what the power drain will be with the internal gps unit.

---------- Post added 04-21-2015 at 03:28 PM ----------

Originally posted by kenspo

I am not allowed to say so much yet, but it is a NEW sensor all coming cameras.

Sounds to me that this new camera is going to be a much greater improvement over the K3, much more so than the K5II was over the K5. Looking forward to seeing the details from Ricoh. I'm assuming with the flash gone that there will be some added features in the firmware related to external flashes.

rawr · 04-21-2015, 03:41 PM

K-5 to K-5 II, K-3 to K-3 II.
Evolutionary changes.

Pity about lack of pop-up flash. It's useful sometimes, for a variety of purposes. At least, I guess, for flash newbies the new Pentax AF201FG flash is available cheap. Maybe they will include it in some K-3 II bundles.

In regards to 'v II model' competitors, FWIW I note that the Canon 7D II also lacks built-in WiFi and NFC, but does include GPS. Nikon D7200 has WiFi and NFC, but lacks GPS. Sony A77 II has WiFi and NFC, but also lacks GPS. Interestingly, Pentax is aligning with Canon here.

However, all the other 'v II' models cited do retain a built-in flash, so Pentax is going out on a limb with that.

virusn3t · 04-21-2015, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by goubejp

And why would Sony sign an exclusivity with Nikon ? Nikon have tried to switch supplier with Toshiba for the D7100, it was a miss, now they ask Sony, can we buy your sensors again ? They are not in a strong position to ask an exclusivity from Sony

Because of money? Exclusive contract even for a short period time cost big money, avoid your competition to get something maybe give you an edge on new camera buyers... just my opinion.

Freddie · 04-21-2015, 04:13 PM

I would have thought most Pentaxians would be holding off any top end purchases for the Full Frame release?

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04-21-2015, 02:32 PM	#151
Rorschach Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Kuusamo, Finland Photos: Gallery Posts: 652	Originally posted by jonby Well, I wasn't expecting a huge upgrade or changes in this version so to be honest I'm pleasantly surprised. The pixel-shifting thing is a pretty substantial new feature, as is the GPS, and the AF/sensor upgrades could be pretty significant - we don't know yet. For me, the pixel-shifting is probably the most significant thing if it works well. We'll have to wait and see how it works, but personally I'm hoping it will output 24MP raw files with improvements to noise, colour detail and artifacting, rather than bloated high pixel-count images (or at least have this as an option). I don't care in the slightest about wi-fi. Slightly bothered about the flash but not much - maybe it will be worth losing it for the GPS. I'm a bit ignorant on GPS - can anyone tell me what the main benefits are? My other slight disappointment is that I thought that with the changes to the viewfinder hump, they may be trialing a new viewfinder info system in advance of FF, which may use something like this to show the APS-C frame and possibly other crop options. Not going to cry about it though. Overall, a nice upgrade which will keep Pentax in the public eye until the FF release. Yeah, I am definitely still intrigued by this camera. Though the left out wifi sounds strange. Easier to understand no flipscreen as that would maybe have required substantial changes on the body itself...this is a K3 II after all, not K2.

04-21-2015, 02:34 PM - 1 Like	#152
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	I am not allowed to say so much yet, but it is a NEW sensor all coming cameras.

04-21-2015, 02:36 PM	#153
crewl1 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,807	Originally posted by kenspo I am not allowed to say so much yet, but it is a NEW sensor all coming cameras. Ahhhh why!? If they get me back the IQ of my K-5 with K-3 performance I am going to have to consider an upgrade. Grrrrrrrrrr!

04-21-2015, 02:38 PM	#154
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	so also a new sensor in the FF not the one in the D610 or the A7r

04-21-2015, 02:38 PM	#155
JinDesu Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: New York City Photos: Gallery Posts: 5,638	I'm grumpy that I got the k-3 instead of the k-3IIs.

04-21-2015, 02:39 PM - 1 Like	#156
mattb123 Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Colorado High Country Photos: Gallery Posts: 10,872	So I guess there may still be a market for my Flu Card then...

04-21-2015, 02:50 PM	#157
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by D1N0 so also a new sensor in the FF not the one in the D610 or the A7r

04-21-2015, 02:51 PM - 1 Like	#158
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by D1N0 The sensor in the K-3 was already quite old. It was in the Nex-7 and A77 and probably some Nikons before it came in the K-3. Nope. The NEX-7 and A77 used the oldest IMX096. Nikon were using Renesas sensor for the D3200 and Toshiba for the D7100 and D5200, then switched back to Sony with the D5300 and D5500 using the IMX193, which is probably the same sensor that Ricoh put in the K-3. And now there is a rumor that the D7200 uses the newest IMX271, but I'm not so sure about it...

04-21-2015, 02:57 PM	#159
Stickl Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Oulu Posts: 271	I will buy this if the sensor is in same level with K-5 II in terms of noise and dynamic range. That's all I need. Of course the AF has to be at least in the samel level than it is in K-3.

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D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by jaad75 Nope. The NEX-7 and A77 used the oldest IMX096. Nikon were using Renesas sensor for the D3200 and Toshiba for the D7100 and D5200, then switched back to Sony with the D5300 and D5500 using the IMX193, which is probably the same sensor that Ricoh put in the K-3. And now there is a rumor that the D7200 uses the newest IMX271, but I'm not so sure about it... That maybe right, but I didn't see much difference between them. according to this site (translate) the IMX271 is also in the a6000: Google Translate

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04-21-2015, 03:09 PM	#161
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by D1N0 That maybe right, but I didn't see much difference between them. There is at least one - IMX096 could be read at 12fps, and the newer IMX193 does just 8.7fps. Originally posted by D1N0 according to this site (translate) the IMX271 is also in the a6000: Wrong. It's the IMX210 with on chip phase detection. https://twitter.com/cwimagesensors/status/544587971416961025

04-21-2015, 03:25 PM	#162
bobell69 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Courtenay BC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 498	Originally posted by CRPhoto To turn it off? I wonder what the power drain will be with the internal gps unit. ---------- Post added 04-21-2015 at 03:28 PM ---------- Originally posted by kenspo I am not allowed to say so much yet, but it is a NEW sensor all coming cameras. Sounds to me that this new camera is going to be a much greater improvement over the K3, much more so than the K5II was over the K5. Looking forward to seeing the details from Ricoh. I'm assuming with the flash gone that there will be some added features in the firmware related to external flashes.

04-21-2015, 03:41 PM	#163
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	K-5 to K-5 II, K-3 to K-3 II. Evolutionary changes. Pity about lack of pop-up flash. It's useful sometimes, for a variety of purposes. At least, I guess, for flash newbies the new Pentax AF201FG flash is available cheap. Maybe they will include it in some K-3 II bundles. In regards to 'v II model' competitors, FWIW I note that the Canon 7D II also lacks built-in WiFi and NFC, but does include GPS. Nikon D7200 has WiFi and NFC, but lacks GPS. Sony A77 II has WiFi and NFC, but also lacks GPS. Interestingly, Pentax is aligning with Canon here. However, all the other 'v II' models cited do retain a built-in flash, so Pentax is going out on a limb with that.

04-21-2015, 03:41 PM	#164
virusn3t Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 676	Originally posted by goubejp And why would Sony sign an exclusivity with Nikon ? Nikon have tried to switch supplier with Toshiba for the D7100, it was a miss, now they ask Sony, can we buy your sensors again ? They are not in a strong position to ask an exclusivity from Sony Because of money? Exclusive contract even for a short period time cost big money, avoid your competition to get something maybe give you an edge on new camera buyers... just my opinion.

04-21-2015, 04:13 PM	#165
Freddie New Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Perth, Western Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 19	I would have thought most Pentaxians would be holding off any top end purchases for the Full Frame release?