Specs of K-3II

**monochrome** · 04-23-2015, 09:37 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by mikeSF

just saw the release. Hmm, now that is an unexpected upgrade to the K3 and something I'd be interesting in purchasing.

Since i shoot 645, I was thinking the FF would be lost on me but that I might keep an APS-C just for long tele and astro shooting...what a pleasant surprise that this may be a reasonable solution...and the GPS built in is a nice touch!

so, maybe i'm one of the 30 people interested, lol.

Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging:

Studio/Landscape Professional - 645
Wedding Professional - FF
Nature/Birding/(Landscape) Professional - APSc

Generalist Enthusiast - K-S2 (and following FF bodies in same vein).

all with intentional inclusion/deletion of market target-specific features.

Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs.

Parallax · 04-23-2015, 09:51 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by mikeSF

I might keep an APS-C just for long tele and astro shooting..

But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash.

mikeSF · 04-23-2015, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging:

...

Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs.

clearly, we don't understand their sheer billiance.

---------- Post added 04-23-2015 at 09:52 AM ----------

Originally posted by Parallax

But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash.

haha
the SUN is my flash.

[reminds me of DOG is my copilot sticker]

---------- Post added 04-23-2015 at 09:55 AM ----------

Originally posted by mikeSF

clearly, we don't understand their sheer billiance.

---------- Post added 04-23-2015 at 09:52 AM ----------

haha
the SUN is my flash.

[reminds me of DOG is my copilot sticker]

I'm trying to remember the last time i popped up my flash...and it was by mistake while reaching for the "RAW" button which is assigned to auto bracketing. I had made a mental note if that thing pops up again, i might lay a piece of black tape over it to keep it closed. Thanks Pentax, for the tape.

JimC1101 · 04-23-2015, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Parallax

But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash.

Ummm.....onboard will not be powerful enough to use long tele and you wont need it for astro.....but I know you are being facetious.

See, we can all joke without asking each other to just move along.

reh321 · 04-23-2015, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging:

Studio/Landscape Professional - 645
Wedding Professional - FF
Nature/Birding/(Landscape) Professional - APSc

Generalist Enthusiast - K-S2 (and following FF bodies in same vein).

all with intentional inclusion/deletion of market target-specific features.

Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs.

You should probably add "street photography" for the K-S2, because of its tilting LCD and "camouflage" colors (doesn't look like a serious camera). Those features are attractive to me, because I don't want people to particularly notice me when I'm taking pictures ... but I also fit into the nature/birding category.

CNunez · 04-23-2015, 10:07 AM

I am disappointed honestly. I was hoping for wifi not flufi. And the lack of more f2.8 points seem disappointing. Nikon did it afaik with the d7200. For pentax to stay relevant, and I assume we want them to. They need to stay in line with the competition.

It seems to me that they are giving up on the apsc format in favor of the full frame. Also the lack of flash makes no sense. I get that many people do not use it often, but it's an essential part of the camera. I hope they bundle it with the camera like olympus cleverly did.

finally the sensor shift. Any update on resolution, time it takes? Olympus offer this feature, it takes roughly a second, requires a tripod and non moving objects. Any motion causes artifacts. They are working on bringing the shooting time down to 1/60.

We are talking 40megapix jpeg/63 (?) Raw.

I would imagine that with pentax only taking 4 frames it should be significantly faster.

ChristianRock · 04-23-2015, 10:27 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Parallax

But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash.

Good point, how are we gonna light up the stars??? DOOMED!!!!

Kunzite · 04-23-2015, 10:43 AM - **4 Likes**

The on-board flash is definitely useful, even though it's a bit slow - I had to wait 8.74 years until its light got reflected by Alpha Centauri and got back to Earth. But I couldn't manage without it.
I'm going now to shoot the Andromeda galaxy, be right back

Obin Robinson · 04-23-2015, 10:55 AM

I for one can say I'm not disappointed in the lack of a flash. In all honesty I would rather use a bounce flash or crank the ISO up for low light. In all the years I've had digital SLRs I can count probably less than 20 photos out of tens of thousands where I used an onboard flash. If I want the crappy lighting from an onboard flash then I use my pocket point-and-shoot camera.

obin

johnmflores · 04-23-2015, 10:57 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Kunzite

The on-board flash is definitely useful, even though it's a bit slow - I had to wait 8.74 years until its light got reflected by Alpha Centauri and got back to Earth. But I couldn't manage without it.
I'm going now to shoot the Andromeda galaxy, be right back

Wait! I didn't know that you could bounce the on-board flash! I changed my mind - I want mine back!

mikeSF · 04-23-2015, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

The on-board flash is definitely useful, even though it's a bit slow - I had to wait 8.74 years until its light got reflected by Alpha Centauri and got back to Earth. But I couldn't manage without it.
I'm going now to shoot the Andromeda galaxy, be right back

maybe Gary Fong can attach a diffuser to Alpha Centauri to tame some of that light...wait, what were we talking about?

**monochrome** · 04-23-2015, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Yes but as written 201 only takes AAA batteries, and only 2 of them ; whereas 200 takes 4 AA : that makes à huge difference in terms of durability...

OK. But I use DuraCell AAA's.

**THoog** · 04-23-2015, 11:10 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging:

Studio/Landscape Professional - 645
Wedding Professional - FF
Nature/Birding/(Landscape) Professional - APSc

Generalist Enthusiast - K-S2 (and following FF bodies in same vein).

all with intentional inclusion/deletion of market target-specific features.

Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs.

I was thinking something along those lines, and also that Pentax continues to pursue their own niches and actively avoids going head-to-head with Canikon models on feature sets - even though that is exactly what everyone expects them to do.

You forgot one category: Insane Generalist Enthusiast - K-S1

JimmyDranox · 04-23-2015, 11:23 AM

I think that Pentax choose a middle pass. Not to hurt the sales of K-3, and also not encroaching those who are waiting for FF. But also bring something new. And I must say that is new (somehow). The shift superresolution seems to be excellent, on board astrotraker is unique, GPS and compass. 4,5 steps SR control. Not bad IMHO. A different camera, which can be exactly what some photographers was waiting for.

But I was waiting for a K-3 v (ideo). I was hoping for a new sensor, a tilting screen, some tethering, and mostly, some (major !!!!!!!!!) improvement in noise control (noise levels makes me crazy). But maybe, K-FF, or K-2.5, or whatever, will have all this.

**filoxophy** · 04-23-2015, 11:48 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by CNunez

It seems to me that they are giving up on the apsc format in favor of the full frame.

If that's what you get out of Ricoh's recent actions, then I'm not sure what to say.

Re the pixel shifting, it's for increased color information and decreased noise, not increased resolution per se.

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04-23-2015, 09:37 AM - 1 Like	#496
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by mikeSF just saw the release. Hmm, now that is an unexpected upgrade to the K3 and something I'd be interesting in purchasing. Since i shoot 645, I was thinking the FF would be lost on me but that I might keep an APS-C just for long tele and astro shooting...what a pleasant surprise that this may be a reasonable solution...and the GPS built in is a nice touch! so, maybe i'm one of the 30 people interested, lol. Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging: Studio/Landscape Professional - 645 Wedding Professional - FF Nature/Birding/(Landscape) Professional - APSc Generalist Enthusiast - K-S2 (and following FF bodies in same vein). all with intentional inclusion/deletion of market target-specific features. Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs.

04-23-2015, 09:51 AM - 2 Likes	#497
Parallax Senior Moderator Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: South Dakota Photos: Gallery Posts: 19,332	Originally posted by mikeSF I might keep an APS-C just for long tele and astro shooting.. But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash.

04-23-2015, 09:51 AM	#498
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,620	Originally posted by monochrome Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging: ... Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs. clearly, we don't understand their sheer billiance. ---------- Post added 04-23-2015 at 09:52 AM ---------- Originally posted by Parallax But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash. haha the SUN is my flash. [reminds me of DOG is my copilot sticker] ---------- Post added 04-23-2015 at 09:55 AM ---------- Originally posted by mikeSF clearly, we don't understand their sheer billiance. ---------- Post added 04-23-2015 at 09:52 AM ---------- haha the SUN is my flash. [reminds me of DOG is my copilot sticker] I'm trying to remember the last time i popped up my flash...and it was by mistake while reaching for the "RAW" button which is assigned to auto bracketing. I had made a mental note if that thing pops up again, i might lay a piece of black tape over it to keep it closed. Thanks Pentax, for the tape.

04-23-2015, 09:56 AM	#499
JimC1101 Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Fremont, Ca Photos: Albums Posts: 395	Originally posted by Parallax But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash. Ummm.....onboard will not be powerful enough to use long tele and you wont need it for astro.....but I know you are being facetious. See, we can all joke without asking each other to just move along.

04-23-2015, 09:57 AM	#500
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,178	Originally posted by monochrome Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging: Studio/Landscape Professional - 645 Wedding Professional - FF Nature/Birding/(Landscape) Professional - APSc Generalist Enthusiast - K-S2 (and following FF bodies in same vein). all with intentional inclusion/deletion of market target-specific features. Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs. You should probably add "street photography" for the K-S2, because of its tilting LCD and "camouflage" colors (doesn't look like a serious camera). Those features are attractive to me, because I don't want people to particularly notice me when I'm taking pictures ... but I also fit into the nature/birding category.

04-23-2015, 10:07 AM	#501
CNunez Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Photos: Gallery Posts: 168	I am disappointed honestly. I was hoping for wifi not flufi. And the lack of more f2.8 points seem disappointing. Nikon did it afaik with the d7200. For pentax to stay relevant, and I assume we want them to. They need to stay in line with the competition. It seems to me that they are giving up on the apsc format in favor of the full frame. Also the lack of flash makes no sense. I get that many people do not use it often, but it's an essential part of the camera. I hope they bundle it with the camera like olympus cleverly did. finally the sensor shift. Any update on resolution, time it takes? Olympus offer this feature, it takes roughly a second, requires a tripod and non moving objects. Any motion causes artifacts. They are working on bringing the shooting time down to 1/60. We are talking 40megapix jpeg/63 (?) Raw. I would imagine that with pentax only taking 4 frames it should be significantly faster.

04-23-2015, 10:27 AM - 1 Like	#502
ChristianRock Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: People's Republic of America Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 9,910	Originally posted by Parallax But mike! The K-3ii won't work for those. There's no on-board flash. Good point, how are we gonna light up the stars??? DOOMED!!!!

04-23-2015, 10:43 AM - 4 Likes	#503
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	The on-board flash is definitely useful, even though it's a bit slow - I had to wait 8.74 years until its light got reflected by Alpha Centauri and got back to Earth. But I couldn't manage without it. I'm going now to shoot the Andromeda galaxy, be right back

04-23-2015, 10:55 AM	#504
Obin Robinson Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Photos: Albums Posts: 272	I for one can say I'm not disappointed in the lack of a flash. In all honesty I would rather use a bounce flash or crank the ISO up for low light. In all the years I've had digital SLRs I can count probably less than 20 photos out of tens of thousands where I used an onboard flash. If I want the crappy lighting from an onboard flash then I use my pocket point-and-shoot camera. obin

04-23-2015, 10:57 AM - 1 Like	#505
johnmflores Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somerville, NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 5,361	Originally posted by Kunzite The on-board flash is definitely useful, even though it's a bit slow - I had to wait 8.74 years until its light got reflected by Alpha Centauri and got back to Earth. But I couldn't manage without it. I'm going now to shoot the Andromeda galaxy, be right back Wait! I didn't know that you could bounce the on-board flash! I changed my mind - I want mine back!

04-23-2015, 11:01 AM	#506
mikeSF Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East Bay Area, CA Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,620	Originally posted by Kunzite The on-board flash is definitely useful, even though it's a bit slow - I had to wait 8.74 years until its light got reflected by Alpha Centauri and got back to Earth. But I couldn't manage without it. I'm going now to shoot the Andromeda galaxy, be right back maybe Gary Fong can attach a diffuser to Alpha Centauri to tame some of that light...wait, what were we talking about?

04-23-2015, 11:10 AM	#507
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Zygonyx Yes but as written 201 only takes AAA batteries, and only 2 of them ; whereas 200 takes 4 AA : that makes à huge difference in terms of durability... OK. But I use DuraCell AAA's.

04-23-2015, 11:10 AM	#508
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by monochrome Hmmmm - possible Pentax product strategy emerging: Studio/Landscape Professional - 645 Wedding Professional - FF Nature/Birding/(Landscape) Professional - APSc Generalist Enthusiast - K-S2 (and following FF bodies in same vein). all with intentional inclusion/deletion of market target-specific features. Maybe the problem isn't Pentax. Maybe the problem is transitioning Pentax users into the right tool for their needs. I was thinking something along those lines, and also that Pentax continues to pursue their own niches and actively avoids going head-to-head with Canikon models on feature sets - even though that is exactly what everyone expects them to do. You forgot one category: Insane Generalist Enthusiast - K-S1

04-23-2015, 11:23 AM	#509
JimmyDranox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Ploiesti, Romania Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,632	I think that Pentax choose a middle pass. Not to hurt the sales of K-3, and also not encroaching those who are waiting for FF. But also bring something new. And I must say that is new (somehow). The shift superresolution seems to be excellent, on board astrotraker is unique, GPS and compass. 4,5 steps SR control. Not bad IMHO. A different camera, which can be exactly what some photographers was waiting for. But I was waiting for a K-3 v (ideo). I was hoping for a new sensor, a tilting screen, some tethering, and mostly, some (major !!!!!!!!!) improvement in noise control (noise levels makes me crazy). But maybe, K-FF, or K-2.5, or whatever, will have all this.

04-23-2015, 11:48 AM - 1 Like	#510
filoxophy Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Albuquerque Posts: 1,132	Originally posted by CNunez It seems to me that they are giving up on the apsc format in favor of the full frame. If that's what you get out of Ricoh's recent actions, then I'm not sure what to say. Re the pixel shifting, it's for increased color information and decreased noise, not increased resolution per se.