Forgot Password
Pentax Camera Forums Home
 

Closed Thread
Show Printable Version Search this Thread
04-23-2015, 07:43 PM - 1 Like   #571
Site Supporter
Site Supporter
Stavri's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: at a Bean & Leaf
Photos: Albums
Posts: 1,832
Can someone open a thread so we (current pentax K3 owners) can voice our desire to have Ricoh include some of the K3ii features (like pixel-shift, and improved AF) with firmware updates????

04-23-2015, 08:12 PM   #572
JPT
Pentaxian




Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Tokyo
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 2,811
The Imaging Resource article on the high resolution technology implied that Ricoh is already planning to do this. But I think it would be unlikely that this would come until the K-3 II was already shipping. That would be May 22 in Japan.
04-23-2015, 08:35 PM   #573
Site Supporter
Site Supporter
geomez's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Roanoke, Virginia, USA
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 1,760
QuoteOriginally posted by Stavri Quote
Can someone open a thread so we (current pentax K3 owners) can voice our desire to have Ricoh include some of the K3ii features (like pixel-shift, and improved AF) with firmware updates????


It is a noble cause but I don't think it'll go anywhere. There are essentially four things this new camera has that the K-3 does not. GPS, pixel shift, better SR, and hypothetically better AF.


I don't think they'll concede any of those new features if it means people buying vastly cheaper K-3s over K-3 IIs.


Worth a try nevertheless
04-23-2015, 08:45 PM   #574
Site Supporter
Site Supporter
Stavri's Avatar

Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: at a Bean & Leaf
Photos: Albums
Posts: 1,832
QuoteOriginally posted by geomez Quote
It is a noble cause but I don't think it'll go anywhere. There are essentially four things this new camera has that the K-3 does not. GPS, pixel shift, better SR, and hypothetically better AF.


I don't think they'll concede any of those new features if it means people buying vastly cheaper K-3s over K-3 IIs.


Worth a try nevertheless
I agree 100%, If the K3 had some of the software features of the K3ii, it will not make the upgrade as desirable. Maybe i'm naive but I'm a believer of the "Ricoh listens to their consumers" philosophy, hopeful they might indulge K3 users. I guess time will tell.

04-23-2015, 08:46 PM   #575
Veteran Member




Join Date: Sep 2012
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 1,728
QuoteOriginally posted by K David Quote
FWIW, the move away from an on-camera flash indicates, I think, an increased interest in picking up professional photographers. When was the last time you saw a professional photographer use an on-body pop-up flash? Never to almost never. Most of the time professionals aren't even mounting flash units on top of a camera unless it's to bounce it.
Well if they thought removing the built-in flash would attract more professionals, why did they then put the GPS onboard? Pros don't use that, either.
04-23-2015, 09:04 PM   #576
Veteran Member




Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Fremont, Ca
Photos: Albums
Posts: 395
QuoteOriginally posted by Stavri Quote
Can someone open a thread so we (current pentax K3 owners) can voice our desire to have Ricoh include some of the K3ii features (like pixel-shift, and improved AF) with firmware updates????


What is intriguing to me is what was mentioned in Photo Rumors, not the best source, of course, regarding pixel shift technology:


"There are also unconfirmed rumblings that this technology could be rolled out to other older Pentax and Ricoh branded cameras via a firmware update. "

I have not seen anything definite yet, this was sent a month or so ago, but if they can do that in the K-3, or other Pentax cameras for that matter, Pixel Shifting will be a feature to all cameras.
04-23-2015, 09:38 PM   #577
Pentaxian




Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Manila, Philippines
Posts: 1,421
QuoteOriginally posted by geomez Quote
The APSC DSLR market seems to be the only one people blow a gasket when they hear a model doesn't have a built in flash.


M43 bodies: no built-in flash. Nobody cares. Sells like hotcakes.

APSC mirrorless: no built-in flash. Nobody cares. Sells like crazy.

APSC DSLR: OMG, NO BUILT-IN FLASH! THEY WILL SELL ZERO. PENTAX IS DOOMED!

FF mirrorless: no built-in flash. Nobody cares. Innovation.

FF DSLR: no built-in flash. All the pros buy them. Everybody else wants them.


A little silly don't you think?
You nailed it!

04-23-2015, 10:17 PM - 2 Likes   #578
Pentaxian
gazonk's Avatar

Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Oslo area, Norway
Photos: Gallery | Albums
Posts: 3,746
This is the perfect camera for absolute newbies - they won't risk looking stupid firing the flash at faraway subjects
04-23-2015, 10:25 PM   #579
Pentaxian
Zygonyx's Avatar

Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Ile de France
Posts: 4,031
Excellent !
04-23-2015, 10:54 PM   #580
Veteran Member




Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Fremont, Ca
Photos: Albums
Posts: 395
QuoteOriginally posted by wed7 Quote
You nailed it!


Well, two things, number one, we are going to see the same thing when the FF come out without a flash....but we already discussed it in February and the results were pretty much the same. The Nikon D810 and I believe the D610 are both FF with on board flash so it is not that only FF don't have on board flash.


Secondly, and it is nice to see how things have toned down since yesterday when we had a war so that is good. I don't think there is any right or wrong in this, some of us want GPS, some of us wanted on board flash, and neither of us were wrong. We all look for the different options in a camera, and before someone says if you want a FF flash then say "Buy a Nikon". I don't want to change brands and I am happy with Pentax, but there was just a little disappointment for all the conveniences that could have been there.


It will be interesting to see the poll on how the K-3II will reflect an on board is or is not important for this camera. I hope that if the poll shows that it will be a disappointment or they will not buy, I hope a lot of people wont say that we are crazy and don't know what we are talking about, we should just all want GPS and flash is crap so it should have been dropped all along. To each his own and that is what is most important.


For what it is worth, I am disappointed in the poll that there is no flash, but I was disappointed that there was no wifi because Pentax has now added wifi in the S2 but I am not going to be such a hater that I will not consider the K-S3II. I just want everything so that there would be no question that it is the top of the line flagship with all options available and make the Canikon people be envious, regardless of whether everyone would use it of benefit or not.

Last edited by JimC1101; 04-23-2015 at 11:00 PM.
04-23-2015, 10:57 PM - 2 Likes   #581
Senior Member




Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 123
QuoteOriginally posted by wed7 Quote
You nailed it!

I would disagree. The APSC market fits a space between mirror-less and pro-oriented full-frame. Many want the ability to have better quality than mirror-less, but they also don't want to carry around all the larger, heavier pro equipment. I'll use an external flash on a job, but I'm not going to carry an external flash with me everywhere.


The K3 fits a unique sweet spot. I can use it on a job with the grip, a large lens like the DA* 50-135, and a flash attached, and then I can take it on vacation with the grip removed, a small limited lens, and the built in flash. GPS does absolutely nothing to improve the quality of a photograph. Balancing the light and shadows with flash makes a HUGE difference in many cases.
04-23-2015, 11:25 PM   #582
Site Supporter
Site Supporter




Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Vereeniging South Africa
Posts: 208
QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
That kinda makes sense.

OGPS-1 is a pretty big bit of hardware. Cramming it into a K-3 body means something had to give.

Here is the answer from the Ricoh press Q&A sheet for the announcement.




Why did you remove the flash unit from the K-3 II?Because we needed space to install the GPS module.
04-24-2015, 12:22 AM   #583
Pentaxian
mikeSF's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: East Bay Area, CA
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 6,594
QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
This is the perfect camera for absolute newbies - they won't risk looking stupid firing the flash at faraway subjects
well, there is that.
04-24-2015, 12:52 AM   #584
Banned




Join Date: Jan 2009
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 9,675
QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
This is the perfect camera for absolute newbies - they won't risk looking stupid firing the flash at faraway subjects
I would buy it if had a flash. I mean........You can't even put in fillflash with on board flash when doing your average night of astro-photography. How can you make descend images of those stars?
04-24-2015, 01:16 AM   #585
Site Supporter
Site Supporter
Rorschach's Avatar

Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Kuusamo, Finland
Photos: Gallery
Posts: 652
QuoteOriginally posted by JimC1101 Quote
Well, two things, number one, we are going to see the same thing when the FF come out without a flash....but we already discussed it in February and the results were pretty much the same. The Nikon D810 and I believe the D610 are both FF with on board flash so it is not that only FF don't have on board flash.


Secondly, and it is nice to see how things have toned down since yesterday when we had a war so that is good. I don't think there is any right or wrong in this, some of us want GPS, some of us wanted on board flash, and neither of us were wrong. We all look for the different options in a camera, and before someone says if you want a FF flash then say "Buy a Nikon". I don't want to change brands and I am happy with Pentax, but there was just a little disappointment for all the conveniences that could have been there.


It will be interesting to see the poll on how the K-3II will reflect an on board is or is not important for this camera. I hope that if the poll shows that it will be a disappointment or they will not buy, I hope a lot of people wont say that we are crazy and don't know what we are talking about, we should just all want GPS and flash is crap so it should have been dropped all along. To each his own and that is what is most important.


For what it is worth, I am disappointed in the poll that there is no flash, but I was disappointed that there was no wifi because Pentax has now added wifi in the S2 but I am not going to be such a hater that I will not consider the K-S3II. I just want everything so that there would be no question that it is the top of the line flagship with all options available and make the Canikon people be envious, regardless of whether everyone would use it of benefit or not.
Where's the poll?

---------- Post added 24th Apr 2015 at 11:27 ----------

QuoteOriginally posted by NotaxPen Quote
I would disagree. The APSC market fits a space between mirror-less and pro-oriented full-frame. Many want the ability to have better quality than mirror-less, but they also don't want to carry around all the larger, heavier pro equipment. I'll use an external flash on a job, but I'm not going to carry an external flash with me everywhere.


The K3 fits a unique sweet spot. I can use it on a job with the grip, a large lens like the DA* 50-135, and a flash attached, and then I can take it on vacation with the grip removed, a small limited lens, and the built in flash. GPS does absolutely nothing to improve the quality of a photograph. Balancing the light and shadows with flash makes a HUGE difference in many cases.
Good for you. However, there is much more to a photograph than just image quality. A photograph is very often a story, especially when it is linked both to time and space, a location. Then it can be connected to things that happened there and then, people, events and so on. GPS makes that very smooth. Also, it's not just the photographer himself who might need that location info, it could be his grandchildren or their children. Unless this kind of info is embedded into the image itself, it is very easily lost for ever.

Additionally, many photographers have huge boatloads of quite similar images from quite similar locations and it is impossible to remember any useful location infos after a surprisingly short time has passed. I have image mountains like this from my real job. They depict field research sites for site documentation purposes. Most of them are quite boring but all of them are very useful. Too bad GPS integration wasn't yet available when 90% of them was shot.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks
  • Submit Thread to Facebook Facebook
  • Submit Thread to Twitter Twitter
  • Submit Thread to Digg Digg
Tags - Make this thread easier to find by adding keywords to it!
4.5 stops of sr, af, announcement, built-in, camera, features, flash, gps, ii, image, improvement, k-3, k-s2, morning, night, pentax, pentax news, pentax rumors, pixel, pm, post, questions, rugged teenage girls, specs, splash, team, tuesday, video
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
K-3II to be announced soon JimC1101 Pentax News and Rumors 797 05-01-2015 02:51 PM
Nikon DF: specs and lots of pics Adam Canon, Nikon, Sony, and Other Camera Brands 33 11-16-2013 11:53 AM
K-3 Specs leaked - 24MP APS-C LFLee Pentax News and Rumors 154 10-07-2013 02:58 AM
K-500 Specs per Pentax USA Docrwm Pentax K-30 & K-50 12 07-19-2013 09:16 PM
Your existing computer specs and/or dream specs Medium FormatPro General Talk 21 09-07-2012 01:08 PM



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:01 AM. | See also: NikonForums.com, CanonForums.com part of our network of photo forums!
  • Red (Default)
  • Green
  • Gray
  • Dark
  • Dark Yellow
  • Dark Blue
  • Old Red
  • Old Green
  • Old Gray
  • Dial-Up Style
Hello! It's great to see you back on the forum! Have you considered joining the community?
register
Creating a FREE ACCOUNT takes under a minute, removes ads, and lets you post! [Dismiss]
Top