Pentax K-3 II Officially Announced

Nicolas06 · 04-25-2015, 01:01 AM

Originally posted by GeneV

Was the trade off between a flash and pixel shift? If so, I'd say it was a good trade. If it was the GPS,... not so much. I really liked the idea of a radio control for the flash. ,

The tradeof was flash vs GPS in term of design. But actually the choice is either K3 with flash or K3-II with GPS, pixel shift and better SR.

What annoy me is for me this could have been you keep the flash, you have GPS, wifi, pixel shift and better SR... It might have need to retail for 50$ more through.

If we admit like some say that this is a specialized body so no excpection for lot of sales and the next model get back the flash... Why not? A bit of an experiment like K01 or K-S1.

If this is the new standard of Pentax bodies, then I'am really disapointed about the choice.

kenspo · 04-25-2015, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by jaad75

Who confirmed what with the K-3II? DFA zooms are fast with the original K-3, I haven't seen any reports about the II.

especially AF-C has been improved. Both me and asashi man have said that many times.

Also confirmed by the other testers (not public, but to us).

Nicolas06 · 04-25-2015, 01:59 AM

Originally posted by ChristianRock

Just going to put this out there again in case someone hasn't seen it. Everybody can make their mind up on whether they think this is a good thing or not!

Just because you don't have a use for it, doesn't mean no one else does. I really don't understand this "I don't want it so no one else should want it" attitude.

I found the K3-II shoot without pixel shift a bit soft. I couldn't understand why it would not at least show some of the print motif but just a flat blue...

So I did a small try... How it would go with DA35 macro, 2s timer on tripod? Obviously I can't compare same picture with K3-II, but that would be start.

Sure the pixel shift shoot is still better, but this show (to me) that the K3 can still manage to take a few shoots... At least we see the printer motif this time.

**beachgardener** · 04-25-2015, 02:28 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

especially AF-C has been improved. Both me and asashi man have said that many times.

Also confirmed by the other testers (not public, but to us).

With the auto focus not being that fantastic on the K-5, I'd need to know that the AF is way better on the K-3II before I am upgrading?

jaad75 · 04-25-2015, 02:31 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

especially AF-C has been improved. Both me and asashi man have said that many times. Also confirmed by the other testers (not public, but to us).

I know, but that's not what we were talking about.

He said the AF-C was improved with the newest DFA zooms only - while Ricoh wrote on their website the AF-C tracking was improved in general (with all the lenses), and the AF-S speed was improved with three latest zooms only.

---------- Post added 04-25-2015 at 04:37 AM ----------

Originally posted by beachgardener

With the auto focus not being that fantastic on the K-5, I'd need to know that the AF is way better on the K-3II before I am upgrading?

Even the regular K-3 is way better than the K-5, not to mention the K-5II was way more accurate and faster in low light than the older version.

kenspo · 04-25-2015, 02:38 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by beachgardener

With the auto focus not being that fantastic on the K-5, I'd need to know that the AF is way better on the K-3II before I am upgrading?

Yes, its a big step up! I haven't used the K-5, but i know the difference between that and the first K-3 after talking with other photographers. And i myself, know the difference between the K-3 and K-3 Mark II. So you can safely upgrade

---------- Post added 04-25-15 at 11:41 AM ----------

Originally posted by jaad75

I know, but that's not what we were talking about.

He said the AF-C was improved with the newest DFA zooms only - while Ricoh wrote on their website the AF-C tracking was improved in general (with all the lenses), and the AF-S speed was improved with three latest zooms only.

Aaah, ok. I know its improved in general, but can't say anything about specific lenses..yet! I will use a few concerts during May to test the different lenses at work with the K-3 Mark II. Will do a full rapport end of may.

**beachgardener** · 04-25-2015, 02:42 AM

Originally posted by jaad75

Even the regular K-3 is way better than the K-5, not to mention the K-5II was way more accurate and faster in low light than the older version.

Thank you, it helps to have encouragement, when deciding to spend some saved up dollars, my mind has been straying to other brands (in search of accurate AF, with out all this in camera AF fine adjust worry), but, I should go with the over whelming evidence that the K-3/3II will be much more accurate, accuracy is my need over speed, but speed helps too in some situations.

jaad75 · 04-25-2015, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

And i myself, know the difference between the K-3 and K-3 Mark II.

So did you have a chance to try it? I mean personally, with the test unit or something?

**beachgardener** · 04-25-2015, 02:46 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Yes, its a big step up! I haven't used the K-5, but i know the difference between that and the first K-3 after talking with other photographers. And i myself, know the difference between the K-3 and K-3 Mark II. So you can safely upgrade

Thank you for the encouragement, I will harden up my mind and head toward an upgrade, nearly there, won’t be too long until it is out, sometime this year for the K-3II for sure.

kenspo · 04-25-2015, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by jaad75

So did you have a chance to try it? I mean personally, with the test unit or something?

Not on work. I had the chance, but let it go. Cause i will get my finished Mark II's very soon. I have spoken with a couple of the pre-testers, and they all say that its much better AF, especially in AF-C and a little bit better in high ISO. So my feedback are atm more from the testers, then from me using it at work. I have to be honest

---------- Post added 04-25-15 at 11:52 AM ----------

Originally posted by beachgardener

Thank you for the encouragement, I will harden up my mind and head toward an upgrade, nearly there, won’t be too long until it is out, sometime this year for the K-3II for sure.

I think you will be very happy with the upgrade

I will deliver back my K-3's very soon, to get my Mark II's..And when the FF comes, i'll still think i'll keep one Mark II

**beachgardener** · 04-25-2015, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

I think you will be very happy with the upgrade I will deliver back my K-3's very soon, to get my Mark II's..And when the FF comes, i'll still think i'll keep one Mark II

Cheers mate, thank you

**Rondec** · 04-25-2015, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by GeneV

Was the trade off between a flash and pixel shift? If so, I'd say it was a good trade. If it was the GPS,... not so much. I really liked the idea of a radio control for the flash.

,

Clearly the issue was a combination of lack of space and a desire to include the astro tracer/GPS unit that made them leave the on board flash off. The pixel shift is probably more related to a new SR unit.

My point is not that the trade off is a good thing, or a bad thing. It is merely to state that Pentax has released a camera with features that the two major brands cannot currently match. Astro tracer, in body image stabilization, sensor shift, pixel shift, and adjustable AA filter are all things that cameras like the D7200/7D II won't have.

On the other hand, if you release a K3 sequel with wi fi, small improvement in SR, and pixel shift, with an improved AF-C, I think it makes a lot smaller splash. I just don't see review sites docking cameras for not have on board flash, but I do see them pumping things like the astro tracer and posting images demonstrating them in action and good reviews are definitely helpful in selling cameras.

I would also say that the K3 II probably wasn't going to be a big seller to current K3 owners -- with or without on board flash. Unless the sensor is a lot better, there isn't a huge improvement over what we have now. But maybe there are some people out there who currently shoot with other brands who will be attracted to try Pentax camera after seeing what Ricoh is doing this year.

We can only hope.

Solaire · 04-25-2015, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Not on work. I had the chance, but let it go. Cause i will get my finished Mark II's very soon. I have spoken with a couple of the pre-testers, and they all say that its much better AF, especially in AF-C and a little bit better in high ISO. So my feedback are atm more from the testers, then from me using it at work. I have to be honest

Better high ISO is from reduced noise I guess (the sensor is the same). Does that also mean increased dynamic range?
Also is there any info about the 18-55 kit? I have seen only one pic and it looked like it's the DA L version (the one that doesn't have quick-shift). For a flagship I was expecting a... ehmm... flagship kit lens

jaad75 · 04-25-2015, 03:11 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Not on work. I had the chance, but let it go. Cause i will get my finished Mark II's very soon. I have spoken with a couple of the pre-testers, and they all say that its much better AF, especially in AF-C

Was that better with the older SDM/screwdriven lenses as well? I mean not necessarily faster, but more responsive/reactive or better "sticking" to moving subjects by reacting with smaller subject movement? Or it "predicting" the movement better by anticipating subject speed/direction and moving the lens even when the mirror is up? They wrote "with Continuous AF (AF.C), tracking of subjects that move toward the depth direction is improved." so I think the last should be true...

kenspo · 04-25-2015, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Solaire

Better high ISO is from reduced noise I guess (the sensor is the same). Does that also mean increased dynamic range?
Also is there any info about the 18-55 kit? I have seen only one pic and it looked like it's the DA L version (the one that doesn't have quick-shift). For a flagship I was expecting a... ehmm... flagship kit lens

Yes, same sensor, but some changes in the tweaking. I can't tell about the DR yet. Will do when i have the finished product in hand. I can't tell about the kitlense. Never used one

---------- Post added 04-25-15 at 12:18 PM ----------

Originally posted by jaad75

Was that better with the older SDM/screwdriven lenses as well? I mean not necessarily faster, but more responsive/reactive or better "sticking" to moving subjects by reacting with smaller subject movement? Or it "predicting" the movement better by anticipating subject speed/direction and moving the lens even when the mirror is up? They wrote "with Continuous AF (AF.C), tracking of subjects that move toward the depth direction is improved." so I think the last should be true...

That i didn't ask about. Dont know which lenses they tested with. All i know of specs, is that the AF module inside has been improved.

04-25-2015, 01:59 AM	#258
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by ChristianRock Just going to put this out there again in case someone hasn't seen it. Everybody can make their mind up on whether they think this is a good thing or not! Just because you don't have a use for it, doesn't mean no one else does. I really don't understand this "I don't want it so no one else should want it" attitude. I found the K3-II shoot without pixel shift a bit soft. I couldn't understand why it would not at least show some of the print motif but just a flat blue... So I did a small try... How it would go with DA35 macro, 2s timer on tripod? Obviously I can't compare same picture with K3-II, but that would be start. Sure the pixel shift shoot is still better, but this show (to me) that the K3 can still manage to take a few shoots... At least we see the printer motif this time. Attached Images Last edited by Nicolas06; 04-25-2015 at 02:04 AM.

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04-25-2015, 01:01 AM	#256
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by GeneV Was the trade off between a flash and pixel shift? If so, I'd say it was a good trade. If it was the GPS,... not so much. I really liked the idea of a radio control for the flash. , The tradeof was flash vs GPS in term of design. But actually the choice is either K3 with flash or K3-II with GPS, pixel shift and better SR. What annoy me is for me this could have been you keep the flash, you have GPS, wifi, pixel shift and better SR... It might have need to retail for 50$ more through. If we admit like some say that this is a specialized body so no excpection for lot of sales and the next model get back the flash... Why not? A bit of an experiment like K01 or K-S1. If this is the new standard of Pentax bodies, then I'am really disapointed about the choice.

04-25-2015, 01:43 AM	#257
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by jaad75 Who confirmed what with the K-3II? DFA zooms are fast with the original K-3, I haven't seen any reports about the II. especially AF-C has been improved. Both me and asashi man have said that many times. Also confirmed by the other testers (not public, but to us).

04-25-2015, 02:28 AM	#259
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,841	Originally posted by kenspo especially AF-C has been improved. Both me and asashi man have said that many times. Also confirmed by the other testers (not public, but to us). With the auto focus not being that fantastic on the K-5, I'd need to know that the AF is way better on the K-3II before I am upgrading?

04-25-2015, 02:31 AM	#260
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by kenspo especially AF-C has been improved. Both me and asashi man have said that many times. Also confirmed by the other testers (not public, but to us). I know, but that's not what we were talking about. He said the AF-C was improved with the newest DFA zooms only - while Ricoh wrote on their website the AF-C tracking was improved in general (with all the lenses), and the AF-S speed was improved with three latest zooms only. ---------- Post added 04-25-2015 at 04:37 AM ---------- Originally posted by beachgardener With the auto focus not being that fantastic on the K-5, I'd need to know that the AF is way better on the K-3II before I am upgrading? Even the regular K-3 is way better than the K-5, not to mention the K-5II was way more accurate and faster in low light than the older version.

04-25-2015, 02:38 AM - 1 Like	#261
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by beachgardener With the auto focus not being that fantastic on the K-5, I'd need to know that the AF is way better on the K-3II before I am upgrading? Yes, its a big step up! I haven't used the K-5, but i know the difference between that and the first K-3 after talking with other photographers. And i myself, know the difference between the K-3 and K-3 Mark II. So you can safely upgrade ---------- Post added 04-25-15 at 11:41 AM ---------- Originally posted by jaad75 I know, but that's not what we were talking about. He said the AF-C was improved with the newest DFA zooms only - while Ricoh wrote on their website the AF-C tracking was improved in general (with all the lenses), and the AF-S speed was improved with three latest zooms only. Aaah, ok. I know its improved in general, but can't say anything about specific lenses..yet! I will use a few concerts during May to test the different lenses at work with the K-3 Mark II. Will do a full rapport end of may.

04-25-2015, 02:42 AM	#262
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,841	Originally posted by jaad75 Even the regular K-3 is way better than the K-5, not to mention the K-5II was way more accurate and faster in low light than the older version. Thank you, it helps to have encouragement, when deciding to spend some saved up dollars, my mind has been straying to other brands (in search of accurate AF, with out all this in camera AF fine adjust worry), but, I should go with the over whelming evidence that the K-3/3II will be much more accurate, accuracy is my need over speed, but speed helps too in some situations.

04-25-2015, 02:44 AM	#263
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by kenspo And i myself, know the difference between the K-3 and K-3 Mark II. So did you have a chance to try it? I mean personally, with the test unit or something?

04-25-2015, 02:46 AM	#264
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,841	Originally posted by kenspo Yes, its a big step up! I haven't used the K-5, but i know the difference between that and the first K-3 after talking with other photographers. And i myself, know the difference between the K-3 and K-3 Mark II. So you can safely upgrade Thank you for the encouragement, I will harden up my mind and head toward an upgrade, nearly there, won’t be too long until it is out, sometime this year for the K-3II for sure.

04-25-2015, 02:51 AM	#265
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by jaad75 So did you have a chance to try it? I mean personally, with the test unit or something? Not on work. I had the chance, but let it go. Cause i will get my finished Mark II's very soon. I have spoken with a couple of the pre-testers, and they all say that its much better AF, especially in AF-C and a little bit better in high ISO. So my feedback are atm more from the testers, then from me using it at work. I have to be honest ---------- Post added 04-25-15 at 11:52 AM ---------- Originally posted by beachgardener Thank you for the encouragement, I will harden up my mind and head toward an upgrade, nearly there, won’t be too long until it is out, sometime this year for the K-3II for sure. I think you will be very happy with the upgrade I will deliver back my K-3's very soon, to get my Mark II's..And when the FF comes, i'll still think i'll keep one Mark II

04-25-2015, 03:02 AM	#266
beachgardener Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 3,841	Originally posted by kenspo I think you will be very happy with the upgrade I will deliver back my K-3's very soon, to get my Mark II's..And when the FF comes, i'll still think i'll keep one Mark II Cheers mate, thank you

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04-25-2015, 03:04 AM	#267
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 26,082	Originally posted by GeneV Was the trade off between a flash and pixel shift? If so, I'd say it was a good trade. If it was the GPS,... not so much. I really liked the idea of a radio control for the flash. , Clearly the issue was a combination of lack of space and a desire to include the astro tracer/GPS unit that made them leave the on board flash off. The pixel shift is probably more related to a new SR unit. My point is not that the trade off is a good thing, or a bad thing. It is merely to state that Pentax has released a camera with features that the two major brands cannot currently match. Astro tracer, in body image stabilization, sensor shift, pixel shift, and adjustable AA filter are all things that cameras like the D7200/7D II won't have. On the other hand, if you release a K3 sequel with wi fi, small improvement in SR, and pixel shift, with an improved AF-C, I think it makes a lot smaller splash. I just don't see review sites docking cameras for not have on board flash, but I do see them pumping things like the astro tracer and posting images demonstrating them in action and good reviews are definitely helpful in selling cameras. I would also say that the K3 II probably wasn't going to be a big seller to current K3 owners -- with or without on board flash. Unless the sensor is a lot better, there isn't a huge improvement over what we have now. But maybe there are some people out there who currently shoot with other brands who will be attracted to try Pentax camera after seeing what Ricoh is doing this year. We can only hope.

04-25-2015, 03:11 AM	#268
Solaire Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 32	Originally posted by kenspo Not on work. I had the chance, but let it go. Cause i will get my finished Mark II's very soon. I have spoken with a couple of the pre-testers, and they all say that its much better AF, especially in AF-C and a little bit better in high ISO. So my feedback are atm more from the testers, then from me using it at work. I have to be honest Better high ISO is from reduced noise I guess (the sensor is the same). Does that also mean increased dynamic range? Also is there any info about the 18-55 kit? I have seen only one pic and it looked like it's the DA L version (the one that doesn't have quick-shift). For a flagship I was expecting a... ehmm... flagship kit lens

04-25-2015, 03:11 AM	#269
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by kenspo Not on work. I had the chance, but let it go. Cause i will get my finished Mark II's very soon. I have spoken with a couple of the pre-testers, and they all say that its much better AF, especially in AF-C Was that better with the older SDM/screwdriven lenses as well? I mean not necessarily faster, but more responsive/reactive or better "sticking" to moving subjects by reacting with smaller subject movement? Or it "predicting" the movement better by anticipating subject speed/direction and moving the lens even when the mirror is up? They wrote "with Continuous AF (AF.C), tracking of subjects that move toward the depth direction is improved." so I think the last should be true...

04-25-2015, 03:17 AM	#270
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Solaire Better high ISO is from reduced noise I guess (the sensor is the same). Does that also mean increased dynamic range? Also is there any info about the 18-55 kit? I have seen only one pic and it looked like it's the DA L version (the one that doesn't have quick-shift). For a flagship I was expecting a... ehmm... flagship kit lens Yes, same sensor, but some changes in the tweaking. I can't tell about the DR yet. Will do when i have the finished product in hand. I can't tell about the kitlense. Never used one ---------- Post added 04-25-15 at 12:18 PM ---------- Originally posted by jaad75 Was that better with the older SDM/screwdriven lenses as well? I mean not necessarily faster, but more responsive/reactive or better "sticking" to moving subjects by reacting with smaller subject movement? Or it "predicting" the movement better by anticipating subject speed/direction and moving the lens even when the mirror is up? They wrote "with Continuous AF (AF.C), tracking of subjects that move toward the depth direction is improved." so I think the last should be true... That i didn't ask about. Dont know which lenses they tested with. All i know of specs, is that the AF module inside has been improved.