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05-23-2015, 11:17 PM   #766
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
I agree, it could be a very beneficial feature in some situations. But this doesn't mean all people are going to enjoy this.. the issue is far beyond camera features.

However, in staying on topic, I'm still not sure how you don't see 'I can confidently predict that after a period of time using the K3II or any other GPS capable body it becomes an expected feature in any future purchase' equates to speaking on behalf of all camera users.
It is a prediction. I'm not 'speaking' for anyone, simply making a no brainer prediction. Almost everyone already has a camera with gps tagging built in, their phone.

Would you buy a camera that didn't tag the exif with date and time? Neither would I, nor would anyone with the slightest bit of sense make one. I predict that the same expectation will happen with geotagging. The function will be there, the photos will be tagged, and it will be used by software to do something, sorting, searching, filename creation, whatever. Another background piece of data. If it isn't there it would be missed.

05-23-2015, 11:39 PM   #767
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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
It is a prediction. I'm not 'speaking' for anyone, simply making a no brainer prediction. Almost everyone already has a camera with gps tagging built in, their phone.

Would you buy a camera that didn't tag the exif with date and time? Neither would I, nor would anyone with the slightest bit of sense make one. I predict that the same expectation will happen with geotagging. The function will be there, the photos will be tagged, and it will be used by software to do something, sorting, searching, filename creation, whatever. Another background piece of data. If it isn't there it would be missed.

To answer your question, Yes I personally would buy a camera that didn't tag the EXIF with date and time. I don't generally go by date or time (outside of year, which could be included on date of import into my collection) with my photos.

timestamps have their place as does geotagging but neither are all encompassing features for every. single. user.

Also, you could be correct in that geotagging might eventually become a commonly included feature. However, it is false to accept something as true for everyone without knowing the mind of every person encompassed. That is all I was getting at.
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This discussion is fascinating.
05-24-2015, 01:51 AM   #769
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This discussion is fascinating.
... Or not.

We may want to do an enumeration of convinced trolls and members with embedded agenda and throw a little week ban.
This forum is way too easy on those.

05-24-2015, 02:43 AM   #770
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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
It is a prediction. I'm not 'speaking' for anyone, simply making a no brainer prediction. Almost everyone already has a camera with gps tagging built in, their phone.

Would you buy a camera that didn't tag the exif with date and time? Neither would I, nor would anyone with the slightest bit of sense make one. I predict that the same expectation will happen with geotagging. The function will be there, the photos will be tagged, and it will be used by software to do something, sorting, searching, filename creation, whatever. Another background piece of data. If it isn't there it would be missed.
Honestly I don't care, I don't search picture by date/time but event/location (not as GPS coordinate but city, museum...) or people. None of the automatic tagging/exif help to achieve that except GPS that sure can help if you forgot where you did took the photo and then deduce.

In fact it would be interresting if the camera could allow to add tags to all the picture you are going to take... This would have more value to me than all other exifs data combined.
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
To answer your question, Yes I personally would buy a camera that didn't tag the EXIF with date and time. I don't generally go by date or time (outside of year, which could be included on date of import into my collection) with my photos.

timestamps have their place as does geotagging but neither are all encompassing features for every. single. user.

Also, you could be correct in that geotagging might eventually become a commonly included feature. However, it is false to accept something as true for everyone without knowing the mind of every person encompassed. That is all I was getting at.
I would just say that I find the exif to be useful -- not just for the date, but also for all of the other things that are in it. But the date is awfully handy too. I often shoot with a couple of different cameras and if I get back from a trip, LIghtroom automatically sorts all of my photos by date to where they are in order. Could I do it myself? I suppose so, but I don't want to. But I warrant too, that there are plenty of people who never look at what aperture, iso, etc that their photos were shot at, while I do all of the time and it has helped me grow as a photographer.

With regard to the GPS feature, I do think it probably is kind of handy to have. Photos taken with my i phone automatically identify where you were at. I think the biggest thing for me would be when you return from a vacation and you don't remember exactly the names/locations of all the things you shot, particularly in a urban are that you are not familiar with.

I don't know that everyone will crave it if they once experience it, I think a lot of younger shooters do expect their phones to automatically tag locations and appreciate when they post to social media. Here on the forum, we tend to be grumpy sorts who don't need sinking new technologies like video and auto focus, so the reaction here is not necessarily indicative of the reaction across the world for those interested in a K3 II.
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I can see in future Pentax (and probably everyone else - if they aren't already) will made a DSLR:

- with GPS;
- with an onboard flash;
- with WiFi and NFC;
- with a flippy screen.

Then no more threads like this

Pentax is almost there already with the K-S2, so I can see that in a year or two probably every Pentax DSLR will have all of the above included as standard. As smartphones show us, GPS, WiFi, NFC - and even LED flash - are now smaller, cheaper, more power efficent and more capable than ever before, so camera makers can include all that stuff with little cost, performance or size penalty.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
that their photos were shot at, while I do all of the time and it has helped me grow as a photographer.
I would agree the most usefull part of exif for me are the actual shooting settings rather than the date.

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I can see in future Pentax (and probably everyone else - if they aren't already) will made a DSLR:

- with GPS;
- with an onboard flash;
- with WiFi and NFC;
- with a flippy screen.

Then no more threads like this

Pentax is almost there already with the K-S2, so I can see that in a year or two probably every Pentax DSLR will have all of the above included as standard. As smartphones show us, GPS, WiFi, NFC - and even LED flash - are now smaller, cheaper, more power efficent and more capable than ever before, so camera makers can include all that stuff with little cost, performance or size penalty.
That's what I was thinking - give it an year or two and the new tech from K-3ii will find its way to the K-S2 successor (hopefully keeping the flash and the flippy screen) and this would be my next camera.
I'd gladly trade the extra card slot, top lcd and mic/phones ports (video sucks anyway) for a smaller sized body.
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pixel shift real life examples

I haven't seen it posted here yet: real world example of pixel shift function
I must say I am impressed! And even if the limitations by movement are evident, I don't think this will be a too big problem. Just thinking of masking and replacing affected areas in PP with parts from single images, do you think this might be possible to have (semi)automated?
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How about potentially looking excellent? Especially for a majority of images that I might use a tripod for- which are most of the images I really care about for enlarged image output purposes.

I fail to see it as a trite feature. Especially to step up performance in the still-life performance of a camera / sensor format (APS-C) that already caters well to other uses such as nature or sports photography (equivalence of increased focal length).

And restriction of movement is limited to less than 1/4 second? I'll take it as a great starting point for introduction- of a technology that can be yet further developed in future products.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Rondec Quote
I would just say that I find the exif to be useful -- not just for the date, but also for all of the other things that are in it. But the date is awfully handy too. I often shoot with a couple of different cameras and if I get back from a trip, LIghtroom automatically sorts all of my photos by date to where they are in order. Could I do it myself? I suppose so, but I don't want to. But I warrant too, that there are plenty of people who never look at what aperture, iso, etc that their photos were shot at, while I do all of the time and it has helped me grow as a photographer.

With regard to the GPS feature, I do think it probably is kind of handy to have. Photos taken with my i phone automatically identify where you were at. I think the biggest thing for me would be when you return from a vacation and you don't remember exactly the names/locations of all the things you shot, particularly in a urban are that you are not familiar with.

I don't know that everyone will crave it if they once experience it, I think a lot of younger shooters do expect their phones to automatically tag locations and appreciate when they post to social media. Here on the forum, we tend to be grumpy sorts who don't need sinking new technologies like video and auto focus, so the reaction here is not necessarily indicative of the reaction across the world for those interested in a K3 II.
Oh absolutely. I have no doubts the large majority of users DO use these features. However large majority does not equal everyone. Those grumpy sorts are valuable too! And it would be a shame to automatically assume 'I' or many = everyone; Stating overarching opinions, lumping everyone into the same 'shoes' is asking for trouble.
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