"Everything Changes" with this Announcement: June 8

jaad75 · 06-09-2015, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Class A

I know, but "FP shutter" does not stop action any better compared to sync-speed, even if you increase the shutter speed.

That's not true. It stops every tiny little bit of picture when curtains move - just not all of them in the same time. So yes, it freezes the movement, but gives distortion with some types of it. It is still usable in common situations which is what every sport/action shooter knows.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 06-09-2015, 12:53 AM

Originally posted by jonlg

I'm as loyal to Pentax as anyone but I have to say calling a new flash system a 'game changer' and revolutionary is a ridiculous level of hype for a high speed flash system with similar features to dozens of others on the market. Quite honestly my Canon friend will laugh at me for even discussing this with him beforehand. Misdirected, Over-hyped, a big fail and does nothing to enhance the credibility of Pentax. Launching it with the news that 'Exciting news for studio shooters' would have been more appropriate than leading thousands of us to believe that this was as important as the creation of the single lens reflex!

Why are you blaming Pentax?

MMVIII · 06-09-2015, 12:56 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jonlg

I'm as loyal to Pentax as anyone but I have to say calling a new flash system a 'game changer' and revolutionary is a ridiculous level of hype for a high speed flash system with similar features to dozens of others on the market. Quite honestly my Canon friend will laugh at me for even discussing this with him beforehand. Misdirected, Over-hyped, a big fail and does nothing to enhance the credibility of Pentax. Launching it with the news that 'Exciting news for studio shooters' would have been more appropriate than leading thousands of us to believe that this was as important as the creation of the single lens reflex!

I hope that lessons have been learned...

Jonlg

I'm sorry, but if you needed this lesson to learn how to understand marketing speech, and especially hyperboled from a forum that wants to generate clicks, then - welcome to the internet of 2015.

Clavius · 06-09-2015, 12:57 AM

Result of this marketing-hype: Reconfirmed Pentax-scepticism amongst many. I've just put an extra question mark behind their FF promises.

Danas_Anis · 06-09-2015, 12:58 AM

not as revolutionary as the one might have expected, but that changes a lot in deed, if the prices were more affordable, then that is quite a good and amazing thing!
So the positive news are that Pentax is getting interest from other companies too! Ricoh is doing something good! So the one of few most criticized lacking of Pentax cameras is somewhat solved.

Now its time to make hardware of same or better level like Samsung NX 1 to handle 4K video and focus peaking and zebras while recording, capabilities to not only output clean HDMI but also HD video broadcast via wifi or some other interface live while recording, and voila, a perfect camera for everyone!

DimC · 06-09-2015, 01:07 AM

What a joke !

I hate that kind of superlative marketing shit !

Zygonyx · 06-09-2015, 01:15 AM - **1 Like**

In that case you'd better stop navigate on the internet, and concentrate on newspapers and books !

rawr · 06-09-2015, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

I've just put an extra question mark behind their FF promises.

It is hard to avoid doing so.

But in defence of Ricoh, since CP+ they have thrown up a total wall-of-silence about FF, and have promised exactly nothing about FF (despite the much appreciated work of kenspo).

As to this whole new flash business, if it was RF wireless P-TTL, or generally had some consumer-level relevance, maybe I would be interested.

Zygonyx · 06-09-2015, 01:16 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

Result of this marketing-hype: Reconfirmed Pentax-scepticism amongst many. I've just put an extra question mark behind their FF promises.

I don't understand this «cause - consequence» shortcut....

johnc · 06-09-2015, 01:19 AM

Interesting announcement for a very small subset of users. Nothing to blame Pentax for - but the credibility of the poster and Pentax Forums takes a hit. SIGH.

kenspo · 06-09-2015, 01:22 AM - **4 Likes**

Some people have problems with understanding, that Ricoh USA is NOT a part of the Pentax system in the same way as Ricoh Japan and Ricoh Europe is. Ricoh USA is only as distributor of Pentax. So this announcement have nothing to do with Pentax. So stop the negativity around Pentax in this case. This is a deal/thing that Ricoh USA have done 100% on their own. And please keep the FF out of this disqussion, cause the FF is progressing well and will come..and THAT will be a game changer.

jaad75 · 06-09-2015, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by rawr

As to this whole new flash business, if it was RF wireless P-TTL, or generally had some consumer-level relevance, maybe I would be interested

The most important thing that the RF P-TTL would be useful for is the HSS (no remote power control or group control in the P-TTL system so far) and this is a HSS and remote power/group control solution, beside of being much more powerful and using Bowens mount modifiers.

Cynog Ap Brychan · 06-09-2015, 01:29 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by kenspo

So stop the negativity around Pentax in this case.

Hear, hear! I just don't understand the mentality of some people who profess to be Pentax supporters, yet take every possible opportunity to rubbish Pentax. Even spurious opportunities like this one, which is the promotion by an independent photographer of a product that has nothing to do with Ricoh beyond the fact that it is an exciting development for Pentax users who need to use high shutter speeds in the field. Seriously, what is wrong with you people?

DimC · 06-09-2015, 01:30 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

In that case you'd better stop navigate on the internet, and concentrate on newspapers and books !

I only get my informations from very few sites, PentaxForum among them. I dont read newspapers anymore.

Originally posted by johnc

Interesting announcement for a very small subset of users. Nothing to blame Pentax for - but the credibility of the poster and Pentax Forums takes a hit. SIGH.

I dont blame Pentax either but I agree with you about the Poster and Pentax Forum...

Originally posted by kenspo

Some people have problems with understanding, that Ricoh USA is NOT a part of the Pentax system in the same way as Ricoh Japan and Ricoh Europe is. Ricoh USA is only as distributor of Pentax. So this announcement have nothing to do with Pentax. So stop the negativity around Pentax in this case. This is a deal/thing that Ricoh USA have done 100% on their own. And please keep the FF out of this disqussion, cause the FF is progressing well and will come..and THAT will be a game changer.

If you said that the FF will be a game changer, and you being on my confident source for Pentax gear, I'd say....bring on the FF dammit !

Dan Rentea · 06-09-2015, 01:41 AM

I'm very proud to be a pentaxian, and I think Ricoh is brought Pentax back in business. But for many of us, this announcement is irrelevant because we need from third party producers just some decent triggers in order to do HSS. I don't have 4.000$ to spent on 2 Priolite strobe, so like I said before, it is a game changer for to little pentaxians (maybe for the ones that use 645Z).

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
Contrast changes with Exposure ?	biz-engineer	Photographic Technique	19	03-10-2015 08:36 AM
Weekly Challenge POTW #271 - 16 June through 30 June 2013	mecrox	Weekly Photo Challenges	47	06-30-2013 06:41 AM
Picture of the Week POTW #270 - 09 June through 23 June 2013	mecrox	Weekly Photo Challenges	33	06-22-2013 11:29 PM
Pentax Spain teaser: announcement June 1?	Cannikin	Pentax News and Rumors	77	06-07-2012 02:37 PM
Pentax 9th anniversary Full Frame announcement this Wednesday !!!	Samsungian	Pentax News and Rumors	40	02-13-2010 11:46 AM

06-09-2015, 12:46 AM	#616
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by Class A I know, but "FP shutter" does not stop action any better compared to sync-speed, even if you increase the shutter speed. That's not true. It stops every tiny little bit of picture when curtains move - just not all of them in the same time. So yes, it freezes the movement, but gives distortion with some types of it. It is still usable in common situations which is what every sport/action shooter knows.

06-09-2015, 12:53 AM	#617
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by jonlg I'm as loyal to Pentax as anyone but I have to say calling a new flash system a 'game changer' and revolutionary is a ridiculous level of hype for a high speed flash system with similar features to dozens of others on the market. Quite honestly my Canon friend will laugh at me for even discussing this with him beforehand. Misdirected, Over-hyped, a big fail and does nothing to enhance the credibility of Pentax. Launching it with the news that 'Exciting news for studio shooters' would have been more appropriate than leading thousands of us to believe that this was as important as the creation of the single lens reflex! Why are you blaming Pentax?

06-09-2015, 12:56 AM - 1 Like	#618
MMVIII Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: EU Posts: 1,121	Originally posted by jonlg I'm as loyal to Pentax as anyone but I have to say calling a new flash system a 'game changer' and revolutionary is a ridiculous level of hype for a high speed flash system with similar features to dozens of others on the market. Quite honestly my Canon friend will laugh at me for even discussing this with him beforehand. Misdirected, Over-hyped, a big fail and does nothing to enhance the credibility of Pentax. Launching it with the news that 'Exciting news for studio shooters' would have been more appropriate than leading thousands of us to believe that this was as important as the creation of the single lens reflex! I hope that lessons have been learned... Jonlg I'm sorry, but if you needed this lesson to learn how to understand marketing speech, and especially hyperboled from a forum that wants to generate clicks, then - welcome to the internet of 2015.

06-09-2015, 12:57 AM	#619
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Result of this marketing-hype: Reconfirmed Pentax-scepticism amongst many. I've just put an extra question mark behind their FF promises.

06-09-2015, 12:58 AM	#620
Danas_Anis Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 198	not as revolutionary as the one might have expected, but that changes a lot in deed, if the prices were more affordable, then that is quite a good and amazing thing! So the positive news are that Pentax is getting interest from other companies too! Ricoh is doing something good! So the one of few most criticized lacking of Pentax cameras is somewhat solved. Now its time to make hardware of same or better level like Samsung NX 1 to handle 4K video and focus peaking and zebras while recording, capabilities to not only output clean HDMI but also HD video broadcast via wifi or some other interface live while recording, and voila, a perfect camera for everyone!

06-09-2015, 01:07 AM	#621
DimC Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 813	What a joke ! I hate that kind of superlative marketing shit !

06-09-2015, 01:15 AM - 1 Like	#622
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	In that case you'd better stop navigate on the internet, and concentrate on newspapers and books !

06-09-2015, 01:16 AM	#623
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Clavius I've just put an extra question mark behind their FF promises. It is hard to avoid doing so. But in defence of Ricoh, since CP+ they have thrown up a total wall-of-silence about FF, and have promised exactly nothing about FF (despite the much appreciated work of kenspo). As to this whole new flash business, if it was RF wireless P-TTL, or generally had some consumer-level relevance, maybe I would be interested.

06-09-2015, 01:16 AM	#624
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Clavius Result of this marketing-hype: Reconfirmed Pentax-scepticism amongst many. I've just put an extra question mark behind their FF promises. I don't understand this «cause - consequence» shortcut....

06-09-2015, 01:19 AM	#625
johnc Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: United Kingdom Photos: Albums Posts: 735	Interesting announcement for a very small subset of users. Nothing to blame Pentax for - but the credibility of the poster and Pentax Forums takes a hit. SIGH.

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

06-09-2015, 01:22 AM - 4 Likes	#626
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Some people have problems with understanding, that Ricoh USA is NOT a part of the Pentax system in the same way as Ricoh Japan and Ricoh Europe is. Ricoh USA is only as distributor of Pentax. So this announcement have nothing to do with Pentax. So stop the negativity around Pentax in this case. This is a deal/thing that Ricoh USA have done 100% on their own. And please keep the FF out of this disqussion, cause the FF is progressing well and will come..and THAT will be a game changer.

06-09-2015, 01:25 AM	#627
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by rawr As to this whole new flash business, if it was RF wireless P-TTL, or generally had some consumer-level relevance, maybe I would be interested The most important thing that the RF P-TTL would be useful for is the HSS (no remote power control or group control in the P-TTL system so far) and this is a HSS and remote power/group control solution, beside of being much more powerful and using Bowens mount modifiers.

06-09-2015, 01:29 AM - 2 Likes	#628
Cynog Ap Brychan Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Gloucester Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by kenspo So stop the negativity around Pentax in this case. Hear, hear! I just don't understand the mentality of some people who profess to be Pentax supporters, yet take every possible opportunity to rubbish Pentax. Even spurious opportunities like this one, which is the promotion by an independent photographer of a product that has nothing to do with Ricoh beyond the fact that it is an exciting development for Pentax users who need to use high shutter speeds in the field. Seriously, what is wrong with you people?

06-09-2015, 01:30 AM	#629
DimC Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 813	Originally posted by Zygonyx In that case you'd better stop navigate on the internet, and concentrate on newspapers and books ! I only get my informations from very few sites, PentaxForum among them. I dont read newspapers anymore. Originally posted by johnc Interesting announcement for a very small subset of users. Nothing to blame Pentax for - but the credibility of the poster and Pentax Forums takes a hit. SIGH. I dont blame Pentax either but I agree with you about the Poster and Pentax Forum... Originally posted by kenspo Some people have problems with understanding, that Ricoh USA is NOT a part of the Pentax system in the same way as Ricoh Japan and Ricoh Europe is. Ricoh USA is only as distributor of Pentax. So this announcement have nothing to do with Pentax. So stop the negativity around Pentax in this case. This is a deal/thing that Ricoh USA have done 100% on their own. And please keep the FF out of this disqussion, cause the FF is progressing well and will come..and THAT will be a game changer. If you said that the FF will be a game changer, and you being on my confident source for Pentax gear, I'd say....bring on the FF dammit !

06-09-2015, 01:41 AM	#630
Dan Rentea Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Bucharest Posts: 1,716	I'm very proud to be a pentaxian, and I think Ricoh is brought Pentax back in business. But for many of us, this announcement is irrelevant because we need from third party producers just some decent triggers in order to do HSS. I don't have 4.000$ to spent on 2 Priolite strobe, so like I said before, it is a game changer for to little pentaxians (maybe for the ones that use 645Z).