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RonHendriks1966 · 07-28-2015, 06:53 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by luftfluss

I just want a K-01 successor. Does that make me bad?

Originally posted by monochrome

I just want a FF. Does that make me bad?

No not bad, just two people who are about to get disapointed.

drougge · 07-28-2015, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

No not bad, just two people who are about to get disapointed.

I wanna be disappointed too! I want an FF with aperture feeler and a finder that's great for manual focus (a real finder, not an EVF).

**luftfluss** · 07-28-2015, 08:47 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

I just want a FF. Does that make me bad?

Well, at least you are going to get something that you want. So it doesn't matter if you're bad.

Ah well, I'll just have to be happy for my many compañeros here on PF who have spent a lifetime pining for a Pentax FF DSLR... because you're all going to buy it, right?

stillshot2 · 07-28-2015, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Max Iso

I agree, the 36mp makes sense. It will be cheaper and Pentax are good at squeezing older sensors to the limit. This will help keep their first FF price down to compete with D610 ect.

36mp makes the most since to me, and if it is priced between the only other cameras to use this 36mp sensor (the $1900 Sony a7r and $3000 d810), Pentax should have a winner. Hopefully it is priced closer to the a7r and not the d810?

mee · 07-28-2015, 06:49 PM

Guys.. but what if it is a 72MP sensor and they have a 36MP low light version too.

D1N0 · 07-29-2015, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by mee

Guys.. but what if it is a 72MP sensor and they have a 36MP low light version too.

If that's for the 645m (mirrorless) then I'm in

Winder · 07-29-2015, 05:13 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

If that's for the 645m (mirrorless) then I'm in

The new Sony BSI sensor is fast enough. Whom ever releases the mirrorless MF first is going to do very will.

Kunzite · 07-29-2015, 05:24 AM

Better than demand being double than expected?

Winder · 07-29-2015, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Better than demand being double than expected?

That would depend on the expectations of the company that produces it.

If Sony produces a MF mirrorless with the 4K abilities of the A7rII, then "yes" demand will be extremely high because it will appeal to both still and video professionals.

Intel and Micron create 3D XPoint: a smaller, faster, more secure memory technology: Digital Photography Review With new memory technology and sensors, they could produce a MF mirrorless that could handle 4K or even 8K.

The larger the format the great the size advantage mirrorless has over DSLR style cameras. The mirrorbox of a MF is huge.

Kunzite · 07-29-2015, 06:30 AM

Yeah... "if" - an "if" which IMHO will never happen, as Sony is a volume manufacturer.
There is no silver bullet.

Winder · 07-29-2015, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

Yeah... "if" - an "if" which IMHO will never happen, as Sony is a volume manufacturer.
There is no silver bullet.

So FF mirrorless is a "high volume" market? I didn't realize that. I thought it was a niche market. You think the $1,600 FE 35mm F/1.4 is a high volume lens?

Kunzite · 07-29-2015, 12:03 PM

Compared with medium format yes, it is. IMHO it's highly unlikely Sony (or Canon, Nikon, Samsung) would enter the medium format market.
By the way, I said "volume", not "high volume". That "high" was added by you; and it's you who is promising "extremely high" demand for such a camera (why would you need a medium format video camera anyway?) You like bold claims; I don't. Because there is no silver bullet

repaap · 07-29-2015, 12:22 PM

There is a silver bullet when creditcard bounces.

---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:25 ----------

I just wanmt that FF to be good enough. Don't have to be great video. Great image quality, Pentax user interface, like my K-3 and many other cams before, but tweaked with new findings. That would be it.

---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:27 ----------

Oh, and great AF too..maybe GPS inbuild, and great grip and great WF.

RockvilleBob · 07-29-2015, 01:37 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by repaap

There is a silver bullet when creditcard bounces.

---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:25 ----------

I just wanmt that FF to be good enough. Don't have to be great video. Great image quality, Pentax user interface, like my K-3 and many other cams before, but tweaked with new findings. That would be it.

---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:27 ----------

Oh, and great AF too..maybe GPS inbuild, and great grip and great WF.

and enough resolution so that the "crop factor" reach with telephoto lenses is irrelevant like the Canon 5DS
and really GREAT AF

VoiceOfReason · 07-29-2015, 02:55 PM

I do wonder with the plethora of cheap, old, not really all that good manual lenses people have and the cheap, newer AF, but still not all that good lenses people have also been posting that they have in the "how many FF lenses do you have thread while they are saying they are ready for FF, realistically, if you've got mainly crap lenses that you have because they are cheap are you going to spend 2k+ on an FF? Probably not.

07-28-2015, 08:47 AM - 1 Like	#198
luftfluss Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: NJ Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 11,628	Originally posted by monochrome I just want a FF. Does that make me bad? Well, at least you are going to get something that you want. So it doesn't matter if you're bad. Ah well, I'll just have to be happy for my many compañeros here on PF who have spent a lifetime pining for a Pentax FF DSLR... because you're all going to buy it, right? Last edited by luftfluss; 07-28-2015 at 09:04 AM.

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07-28-2015, 06:53 AM - 1 Like	#196
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by luftfluss I just want a K-01 successor. Does that make me bad? Originally posted by monochrome I just want a FF. Does that make me bad? No not bad, just two people who are about to get disapointed.

07-28-2015, 07:58 AM	#197
drougge Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Malmö Photos: Gallery Posts: 787	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 No not bad, just two people who are about to get disapointed. I wanna be disappointed too! I want an FF with aperture feeler and a finder that's great for manual focus (a real finder, not an EVF).

07-28-2015, 02:17 PM	#199
stillshot2 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Phoenix, AZ Photos: Albums Posts: 1,070	Originally posted by Max Iso I agree, the 36mp makes sense. It will be cheaper and Pentax are good at squeezing older sensors to the limit. This will help keep their first FF price down to compete with D610 ect. 36mp makes the most since to me, and if it is priced between the only other cameras to use this 36mp sensor (the $1900 Sony a7r and $3000 d810), Pentax should have a winner. Hopefully it is priced closer to the a7r and not the d810?

07-28-2015, 06:49 PM	#200
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Guys.. but what if it is a 72MP sensor and they have a 36MP low light version too.

07-29-2015, 03:05 AM	#201
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by mee Guys.. but what if it is a 72MP sensor and they have a 36MP low light version too. If that's for the 645m (mirrorless) then I'm in

07-29-2015, 05:13 AM	#202
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by D1N0 If that's for the 645m (mirrorless) then I'm in The new Sony BSI sensor is fast enough. Whom ever releases the mirrorless MF first is going to do very will.

07-29-2015, 05:24 AM	#203
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Better than demand being double than expected?

07-29-2015, 06:23 AM	#204
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Kunzite Better than demand being double than expected? That would depend on the expectations of the company that produces it. If Sony produces a MF mirrorless with the 4K abilities of the A7rII, then "yes" demand will be extremely high because it will appeal to both still and video professionals. Intel and Micron create 3D XPoint: a smaller, faster, more secure memory technology: Digital Photography Review With new memory technology and sensors, they could produce a MF mirrorless that could handle 4K or even 8K. The larger the format the great the size advantage mirrorless has over DSLR style cameras. The mirrorbox of a MF is huge.

07-29-2015, 06:30 AM	#205
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Yeah... "if" - an "if" which IMHO will never happen, as Sony is a volume manufacturer. There is no silver bullet.

07-29-2015, 11:51 AM	#206
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Kunzite Yeah... "if" - an "if" which IMHO will never happen, as Sony is a volume manufacturer. There is no silver bullet. So FF mirrorless is a "high volume" market? I didn't realize that. I thought it was a niche market. You think the $1,600 FE 35mm F/1.4 is a high volume lens?

07-29-2015, 12:03 PM	#207
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Compared with medium format yes, it is. IMHO it's highly unlikely Sony (or Canon, Nikon, Samsung) would enter the medium format market. By the way, I said "volume", not "high volume". That "high" was added by you; and it's you who is promising "extremely high" demand for such a camera (why would you need a medium format video camera anyway?) You like bold claims; I don't. Because there is no silver bullet

07-29-2015, 12:22 PM	#208
repaap Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2010 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,242	There is a silver bullet when creditcard bounces. ---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:25 ---------- I just wanmt that FF to be good enough. Don't have to be great video. Great image quality, Pentax user interface, like my K-3 and many other cams before, but tweaked with new findings. That would be it. ---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:27 ---------- Oh, and great AF too..maybe GPS inbuild, and great grip and great WF.

07-29-2015, 01:37 PM - 2 Likes	#209
RockvilleBob Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Lewes DE USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,780	Originally posted by repaap There is a silver bullet when creditcard bounces. ---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:25 ---------- I just wanmt that FF to be good enough. Don't have to be great video. Great image quality, Pentax user interface, like my K-3 and many other cams before, but tweaked with new findings. That would be it. ---------- Post added 07-29-15 at 22:27 ---------- Oh, and great AF too..maybe GPS inbuild, and great grip and great WF. and enough resolution so that the "crop factor" reach with telephoto lenses is irrelevant like the Canon 5DS and really GREAT AF

07-29-2015, 02:55 PM	#210
VoiceOfReason Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Mishawaka IN area Photos: Albums Posts: 6,124	I do wonder with the plethora of cheap, old, not really all that good manual lenses people have and the cheap, newer AF, but still not all that good lenses people have also been posting that they have in the "how many FF lenses do you have thread while they are saying they are ready for FF, realistically, if you've got mainly crap lenses that you have because they are cheap are you going to spend 2k+ on an FF? Probably not.

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