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RonHendriks1966 · 10-17-2015, 07:42 AM

Originally posted by Class A

The task isn't complex at all, the functionality could be implemented in a very short amount of time.

As long as it is missing, the number of respective users will always be "small".

I have a feeling that our camera's already do these things.

Set in TAv mode you adjust the timer and while the scenery will be in balance the iso will change.

Class A · 10-17-2015, 07:51 AM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

I have a feeling that our camera's already do these things.

No, TAv mode automatically changes the ISO value, depending on the camera's meter, i.e., brightness changes in the scene will affect the ISO value.

What we are suggesting is maintaining a manual mode (the camera's meter is only used to display the camera's idea of under- and overexposure to the user in the form of a -/+ EV value), but simply completing the exposure lock functionality to incorporate manual changes to the ISO value, as well as manual changes to the aperture or shutter speed.

Fogel70 · 10-17-2015, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Class A

The task isn't complex at all, the functionality could be implemented in a very short amount of time.

As long as it is missing, the number of respective users will always be "small".

I believe a reason for not many users understand or use Hyper-manual function is that the manual do not properly describe how it works, or what is the advantages of Hyper-manual mode.

On a camera designed for professional users Hyper-manual mode can offer a advantage as it can be time saver when it comes to setting up manual exposure. The second or two you save in setting the exposure can FI be more important than the speed of AF.

**GlassJunkie** · 10-17-2015, 03:34 PM

Originally posted by Fogel70

I believe a reason for not many users understand or use Hyper-manual function is that the manual do not properly describe how it works, or what is the advantages of Hyper-manual mode....

On a camera designed for professional users Hyper-manual mode can offer a advantage as it can be time saver when it comes to setting up manual exposure. The second or two you save in setting the exposure can FI be more important than the speed of AF.

Oh, come on...

There is a great manual....

Never mind, my bad that was the K5... The "lovely" K3 manual was confused with a lager coaster (same size, same number of pages (thickness)....

rawr · 10-17-2015, 04:32 PM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by GlassJunkie

The "lovely" K3 manual was confused with a lager coaster (same size, same number of pages (thickness)

Which does bring up another issue I hope Ricoh will address when/if they release a FF - the camera documentation they provide.

The manual for the K-3 was a real step backwards from the K-5 manual, and compares very poorly with manuals from competing systems (eg Nikon manuals, even Samsung manuals). That should certainly be improved for a serious camera with complex features, like the Pentax FF seems likely to be.

Plus an old gripe: Pentax can't seem to get into providing online supporting documentation either - white papers, user guides, even YouTube instructional videos. They need to create or sponsor a lot more of that alongside the FF introduction.

Not much point introducing an amazing camera if no-one can figure out all the features, or get them to work optimally.

sculptor666 · 10-17-2015, 04:47 PM

i want to tell the camera "i'm using 67mm of extension tubes" and for that to be put into the exif info. and still want pressure sensitive shutter release button... to af slow or fast.

kenspo · 10-18-2015, 05:52 AM

This first FF is mostly aimed at the pro's..So the features will be there after. So it won't come with all the strange stuff people are talking about and hoping for.

D1N0 · 10-18-2015, 06:00 AM

What no selfie button.......!

kenspo · 10-18-2015, 06:04 AM - **1 Like**

Of course it is. Main function. Thats why they delayed it. To optimize that button..

**Kerrowdown** · 10-18-2015, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

This first FF is mostly aimed at the pro's..So the features will be there after

If you mean by that... a FF sensor, a big bright viewfinder, K mount, Grip, settings Manual, Aperture priority and shutter priority then bring it on.

Nothing fancy just a good solid, reliable workhorse, even manual focus works for me... so sooner the better.

thibs · 10-18-2015, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

This first FF is mostly aimed at the pro's..So the features will be there after. So it won't come with all the strange stuff people are talking about and hoping for.

"This first FF is..."
First? Gotcha Kenspo !!

D1N0 · 10-18-2015, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Of course it is. Main function. Thats why they delayed it. To optimize that button..

When they could have just put in an idiotic smile detector!

kenspo · 10-18-2015, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by thibs

"This first FF is..."
First? Gotcha Kenspo !!

Eh..did i say something?

D1N0 · 10-18-2015, 06:21 AM

Ricoh would already be drafting new camera's before they bring out the FF since development time is about three years.

thibs · 10-18-2015, 10:19 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Ricoh would already be drafting new camera's before they bring out the FF since development time is about three years.

Of course but that's no funny at all. Making, gently, fun of Kenspo is a lot funnier (and I still might be in the truth lol, there was absolutely no reason to mention 'first' here unless....).

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10-17-2015, 07:42 AM	#1111
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by Class A The task isn't complex at all, the functionality could be implemented in a very short amount of time. As long as it is missing, the number of respective users will always be "small". I have a feeling that our camera's already do these things. Set in TAv mode you adjust the timer and while the scenery will be in balance the iso will change.

10-17-2015, 07:51 AM	#1112
Class A Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 11,251	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 I have a feeling that our camera's already do these things. No, TAv mode automatically changes the ISO value, depending on the camera's meter, i.e., brightness changes in the scene will affect the ISO value. What we are suggesting is maintaining a manual mode (the camera's meter is only used to display the camera's idea of under- and overexposure to the user in the form of a -/+ EV value), but simply completing the exposure lock functionality to incorporate manual changes to the ISO value, as well as manual changes to the aperture or shutter speed.

10-17-2015, 08:17 AM	#1113
Fogel70 Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Photos: Albums Posts: 3,062	Originally posted by Class A The task isn't complex at all, the functionality could be implemented in a very short amount of time. As long as it is missing, the number of respective users will always be "small". I believe a reason for not many users understand or use Hyper-manual function is that the manual do not properly describe how it works, or what is the advantages of Hyper-manual mode. On a camera designed for professional users Hyper-manual mode can offer a advantage as it can be time saver when it comes to setting up manual exposure. The second or two you save in setting the exposure can FI be more important than the speed of AF.

10-17-2015, 03:34 PM	#1114
GlassJunkie Site Supporter Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: St Petersburg Photos: Albums Posts: 402	Originally posted by Fogel70 I believe a reason for not many users understand or use Hyper-manual function is that the manual do not properly describe how it works, or what is the advantages of Hyper-manual mode.... On a camera designed for professional users Hyper-manual mode can offer a advantage as it can be time saver when it comes to setting up manual exposure. The second or two you save in setting the exposure can FI be more important than the speed of AF. Oh, come on... There is a great manual.... Never mind, my bad that was the K5... The "lovely" K3 manual was confused with a lager coaster (same size, same number of pages (thickness)....

10-17-2015, 04:32 PM - 2 Likes	#1115
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by GlassJunkie The "lovely" K3 manual was confused with a lager coaster (same size, same number of pages (thickness) Which does bring up another issue I hope Ricoh will address when/if they release a FF - the camera documentation they provide. The manual for the K-3 was a real step backwards from the K-5 manual, and compares very poorly with manuals from competing systems (eg Nikon manuals, even Samsung manuals). That should certainly be improved for a serious camera with complex features, like the Pentax FF seems likely to be. Plus an old gripe: Pentax can't seem to get into providing online supporting documentation either - white papers, user guides, even YouTube instructional videos. They need to create or sponsor a lot more of that alongside the FF introduction. Not much point introducing an amazing camera if no-one can figure out all the features, or get them to work optimally.

10-17-2015, 04:47 PM	#1116
sculptor666 Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: PA Photos: Gallery Posts: 675	i want to tell the camera "i'm using 67mm of extension tubes" and for that to be put into the exif info. and still want pressure sensitive shutter release button... to af slow or fast.

10-18-2015, 05:52 AM	#1117
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	This first FF is mostly aimed at the pro's..So the features will be there after. So it won't come with all the strange stuff people are talking about and hoping for.

10-18-2015, 06:00 AM	#1118
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	What no selfie button.......!

10-18-2015, 06:04 AM - 1 Like	#1119
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Of course it is. Main function. Thats why they delayed it. To optimize that button..

10-18-2015, 06:05 AM	#1120
Kerrowdown PEG Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Highlands of Scotland... "Hold Infinity in the palm of your hand" - William Blake Photos: Gallery Posts: 57,867	Originally posted by kenspo This first FF is mostly aimed at the pro's..So the features will be there after If you mean by that... a FF sensor, a big bright viewfinder, K mount, Grip, settings Manual, Aperture priority and shutter priority then bring it on. Nothing fancy just a good solid, reliable workhorse, even manual focus works for me... so sooner the better.

10-18-2015, 06:05 AM	#1121
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by kenspo This first FF is mostly aimed at the pro's..So the features will be there after. So it won't come with all the strange stuff people are talking about and hoping for. "This first FF is..." First? Gotcha Kenspo !!

10-18-2015, 06:11 AM	#1122
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by kenspo Of course it is. Main function. Thats why they delayed it. To optimize that button.. When they could have just put in an idiotic smile detector!

10-18-2015, 06:13 AM	#1123
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by thibs "This first FF is..." First? Gotcha Kenspo !! Eh..did i say something?

10-18-2015, 06:21 AM	#1124
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Ricoh would already be drafting new camera's before they bring out the FF since development time is about three years.

10-18-2015, 10:19 AM	#1125
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Originally posted by D1N0 Ricoh would already be drafting new camera's before they bring out the FF since development time is about three years. Of course but that's no funny at all. Making, gently, fun of Kenspo is a lot funnier (and I still might be in the truth lol, there was absolutely no reason to mention 'first' here unless....).

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