FF out in 4 months

aleonx3 · 06-24-2015, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by normhead

There is a group of people who want FF for "the look" not for resolution and they will want a 6D type of camera. Low cost, poor performance but FF. For "the look" myself, I would prefer to buy 1.4 lenses rather than whole new body, but hey, that's just me.

Not me... don't want to think or touch a "6D type and look" of Pentax FF. It has to be like D810 or better before I will consider an upgrade.

ogl · 06-24-2015, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Imagine if the took a 42 MP image and used it to create a combined 14 Mp image like a pixel shifted image. A pixel shift without the need for long exposures. Now there's a concept.

But I need to upgrade my new PC again...

42.4 MP is cool, but it's excessive resolution for amateurs.
Any smaller RAW format would be good.

Clavius · 06-24-2015, 09:59 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by aleonx3

Not me... don't want to think or touch a "6D type and look" of Pentax FF. It has to be like D810 or better before I will consider an upgrade.

So, the 6d and d810 are different in looks how exactly? They both look like giant black dslrs to me.

Kunzite · 06-24-2015, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by ogl

But I need to upgrade my new PC again...

But I have a brand new PC; who cares about yours!

mecrox · 06-24-2015, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by normhead

For "the look" myself, I would prefer to buy 1.4 lenses rather than whole new body, but hey, that's just me.

Same here, but f1.4. lenses are tricky in APS-C land, both to obtain and to focus dead on wide open. If it has to be f1.4 then quite likely it's dine at Fuji's. I guess this is all part of a trend, a nudging of users towards FF while APS-C majors on 5.6-f8 with ye consumer zooms. A pity but that's what it looks like.

ogl · 06-24-2015, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

But I have a brand new PC; who cares about yours!

Me too, but I'm not sure that any new PC will work instantly with 42.4 MP files.

aleonx3 · 06-24-2015, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Clavius

So, the 6d and d810 are different in looks how exactly? They both look like giant black dslrs to me.

Ah ha... good point, I mean 'looks or IQ' of the photos from those two cameras.

mee · 06-24-2015, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by mecrox

Same here, but f1.4. lenses are tricky in APS-C land, both to obtain and to focus dead on wide open. If it has to be f1.4 then quite likely it's dine at Fuji's. I guess this is all part of a trend, a nudging of users towards FF while APS-C majors on 5.6-f8 with ye consumer zooms. A pity but that's what it looks like.

That is what I'm seeing too.. APS-C is the more affordable lineup, FF becomes the serious enthusiast/professional lineup, and the MF stays the flagship uber.

At least when FF is finally launched.... Though how hard is it to relaunch the older DA and DA* lenses with the HD coatings and curved blades?

Shanti · 06-24-2015, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by Franc

Edwin?

shhhhhhhhh

---------- Post added 06-25-15 at 01:56 AM ----------

I mean we must think what market segment is the FF going for? Weddings/events? Landscape? Sports/Wildlife? if weddings then 36-42 MP is overkill(>OMG dear is that how you really look--as he pixels peeps their wedding pics

)
maybe 2 models..but not at once..1st one in Nov then in Feb /March to keep people interested..why not a 20MP sports/wildlife & 42MP Landscape models

normhead · 06-24-2015, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by Clavius

So, the 6d and d810 are different in looks how exactly? They both look like giant black dslrs to me.

The look of the pictures.. do I have explain everything? You know the guys who will swear up and down on a stack of bibles they can tell the difference between 6D images and K-3 images, because the 6D images have "the look" even though the K-3 has more resolution. It's that dreamy full frame look that all us APS_c shooter just fail to appreciate.

I'm like you guys.. look schmook, give me more resolution.

**clackers** · 06-24-2015, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by mecrox

Same here, but f1.4. lenses are tricky in APS-C land, both to obtain and to focus dead on wide open..

??

I have an SMC 50mm f1.4, Sigma 35mm f1.4, Samyang 24mm f1.4, Samyang 85mm f1.4.

I use them happily on APS-C Pentax and FF Sony.

**monochrome** · 06-24-2015, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by ogl

excessive resolution for amateurs.

Where was it written the FF will be pitched at amateurs?

IMHO it will be a full-on professional camera that many dedicated enthusiasts and some wealthy amateurs will also buy.

noelpolar · 06-24-2015, 07:56 PM

Me....I just need something new to play with....to distract me from my mundane existince....preferably with the rear AF button in the same place as the K3.

mecrox · 06-24-2015, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by clackers

??

I have an SMC 50mm f1.4, Sigma 35mm f1.4, Samyang 24mm f1.4, Samyang 85mm f1.4.

I use them happily on APS-C Pentax and FF Sony.

Two are MF and three lack modern lens motors. And all four are FF focal lengths, not the APS-C equivalent. I was really thinking of lenses like the DA* 55mm f1.4 or the Fuji 23mm f1.4, lenses made with APS-C in mind. That's the point: if you want fast lenses on APS-C, chances are you will have to use FF ones. So, the companies whisper, why not move on to FF anyway, APS-C is for tourists with kit zooms, go on, the bank will love extending you a loan ... you know it makes sense,

bossa · 06-24-2015, 10:49 PM

The thing that will swing it for me is amp glow. I have 2x D800E and 1X D810 and amp-glow is a nightmare when I push shadows. My K-5 and K01 have no such issues and if the FF is the same I'll be sold.

06-24-2015, 10:32 PM	#74
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by clackers ?? I have an SMC 50mm f1.4, Sigma 35mm f1.4, Samyang 24mm f1.4, Samyang 85mm f1.4. I use them happily on APS-C Pentax and FF Sony. Two are MF and three lack modern lens motors. And all four are FF focal lengths, not the APS-C equivalent. I was really thinking of lenses like the DA* 55mm f1.4 or the Fuji 23mm f1.4, lenses made with APS-C in mind. That's the point: if you want fast lenses on APS-C, chances are you will have to use FF ones. So, the companies whisper, why not move on to FF anyway, APS-C is for tourists with kit zooms, go on, the bank will love extending you a loan ... you know it makes sense, Last edited by mecrox; 06-24-2015 at 10:55 PM.

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06-24-2015, 09:33 AM	#61
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by normhead There is a group of people who want FF for "the look" not for resolution and they will want a 6D type of camera. Low cost, poor performance but FF. For "the look" myself, I would prefer to buy 1.4 lenses rather than whole new body, but hey, that's just me. Not me... don't want to think or touch a "6D type and look" of Pentax FF. It has to be like D810 or better before I will consider an upgrade.

06-24-2015, 09:54 AM	#62
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by normhead Imagine if the took a 42 MP image and used it to create a combined 14 Mp image like a pixel shifted image. A pixel shift without the need for long exposures. Now there's a concept. But I need to upgrade my new PC again... 42.4 MP is cool, but it's excessive resolution for amateurs. Any smaller RAW format would be good.

06-24-2015, 09:59 AM - 1 Like	#63
Clavius Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: De Klundert Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,150	Originally posted by aleonx3 Not me... don't want to think or touch a "6D type and look" of Pentax FF. It has to be like D810 or better before I will consider an upgrade. So, the 6d and d810 are different in looks how exactly? They both look like giant black dslrs to me.

06-24-2015, 10:00 AM	#64
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	Originally posted by ogl But I need to upgrade my new PC again... But I have a brand new PC; who cares about yours!

06-24-2015, 10:18 AM	#65
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	Originally posted by normhead For "the look" myself, I would prefer to buy 1.4 lenses rather than whole new body, but hey, that's just me. Same here, but f1.4. lenses are tricky in APS-C land, both to obtain and to focus dead on wide open. If it has to be f1.4 then quite likely it's dine at Fuji's. I guess this is all part of a trend, a nudging of users towards FF while APS-C majors on 5.6-f8 with ye consumer zooms. A pity but that's what it looks like.

06-24-2015, 10:43 AM	#66
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Originally posted by Kunzite But I have a brand new PC; who cares about yours! Me too, but I'm not sure that any new PC will work instantly with 42.4 MP files.

06-24-2015, 11:17 AM	#67
aleonx3 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Brampton, Ontario Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,996	Originally posted by Clavius So, the 6d and d810 are different in looks how exactly? They both look like giant black dslrs to me. Ah ha... good point, I mean 'looks or IQ' of the photos from those two cameras.

06-24-2015, 03:38 PM	#68
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by mecrox Same here, but f1.4. lenses are tricky in APS-C land, both to obtain and to focus dead on wide open. If it has to be f1.4 then quite likely it's dine at Fuji's. I guess this is all part of a trend, a nudging of users towards FF while APS-C majors on 5.6-f8 with ye consumer zooms. A pity but that's what it looks like. That is what I'm seeing too.. APS-C is the more affordable lineup, FF becomes the serious enthusiast/professional lineup, and the MF stays the flagship uber. At least when FF is finally launched.... Though how hard is it to relaunch the older DA and DA* lenses with the HD coatings and curved blades?

06-24-2015, 04:48 PM	#69
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927 Original Poster	Originally posted by Franc Edwin? shhhhhhhhh ---------- Post added 06-25-15 at 01:56 AM ---------- I mean we must think what market segment is the FF going for? Weddings/events? Landscape? Sports/Wildlife? if weddings then 36-42 MP is overkill(>OMG dear is that how you really look--as he pixels peeps their wedding pics ) maybe 2 models..but not at once..1st one in Nov then in Feb /March to keep people interested..why not a 20MP sports/wildlife & 42MP Landscape models

06-24-2015, 05:05 PM	#70
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Clavius So, the 6d and d810 are different in looks how exactly? They both look like giant black dslrs to me. The look of the pictures.. do I have explain everything? You know the guys who will swear up and down on a stack of bibles they can tell the difference between 6D images and K-3 images, because the 6D images have "the look" even though the K-3 has more resolution. It's that dreamy full frame look that all us APS_c shooter just fail to appreciate. I'm like you guys.. look schmook, give me more resolution.

06-24-2015, 05:10 PM	#71
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by mecrox Same here, but f1.4. lenses are tricky in APS-C land, both to obtain and to focus dead on wide open.. ?? I have an SMC 50mm f1.4, Sigma 35mm f1.4, Samyang 24mm f1.4, Samyang 85mm f1.4. I use them happily on APS-C Pentax and FF Sony.

06-24-2015, 06:06 PM	#72
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by ogl excessive resolution for amateurs. Where was it written the FF will be pitched at amateurs? IMHO it will be a full-on professional camera that many dedicated enthusiasts and some wealthy amateurs will also buy.

06-24-2015, 07:56 PM	#73
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Me....I just need something new to play with....to distract me from my mundane existince....preferably with the rear AF button in the same place as the K3.

06-24-2015, 10:49 PM	#75
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	The thing that will swing it for me is amp glow. I have 2x D800E and 1X D810 and amp-glow is a nightmare when I push shadows. My K-5 and K01 have no such issues and if the FF is the same I'll be sold.