FF out in 4 months

Mistral75 · 09-10-2015, 02:25 AM - **3 Likes**

Originally posted by davidsladek

has everyone registered the calm before the storm on these forums?

Dead calm this year... as for now.

Last edited by Mistral75; 09-10-2015 at 02:35 AM.

patarok · 09-10-2015, 03:55 AM

Originally posted by elpolodiablo

Why is every time Tamron/Tokina announce a new lens there is a automatic assumption that there will be a rebadged version for Pentax? Yes Pentax rebadged a few super-zooms from Tamron but why it is engrained in some people's logic that Pentax is not designing their own lens, instead they would just use other people's design and slap a Pentax logo on it?

Sorry for the rant but I've not seen any concrete evidence so far that Pentax is rebranding *ANY* new lens from *ANY OTHER* brand for the incoming FF.

agreed.
and wasn't there actually just ONE rebranded lens from Tamron?

---------- Post added 09-10-15 at 03:56 AM ----------

... i like the bomb...

Mistral75 · 09-10-2015, 04:13 AM

Originally posted by patarok

agreed.
and wasn't there actually just ONE rebranded lens from Tamron?[COLOR="Silver"]

(...)

At least two, including 18-250mm and 18-270mm

.

**Pål Jensen** · 09-10-2015, 04:15 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

At least two, including 18-250mm and 18-270mm

.

Didn't Nikon rebadge one or both of them also? I guess all new Nikon lenses must be rebadged!

Mistral75 · 09-10-2015, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Didn't Nikon rebadge one or both of them also? I guess all new Nikon lenses must be rebadged!

No. Nikon have their own 18-200mm (2 versions, both f/3.5-5.6, the first one launched in 2005, the second in 2009) and 18-300mm (2 versions as well, the first one being f/3.5-5.6 launched in 2012 and the second one, f/3.5-6.3 and more compact, launched last year).

Sony did rebadge the Tamron superzooms.

Jean Poitiers · 09-10-2015, 04:27 AM

Nice bomb ...

**Pål Jensen** · 09-10-2015, 06:59 AM

Originally posted by Mistral75

No. Nikon have their own 18-200mm (2 versions, both f/3.5-5.6, the first one launched in 2005, the second in 2009) and 18-300mm (2 versions as well, the first one being f/3.5-5.6 launched in 2012 and the second one, f/3.5-6.3 and more compact, launched last year).

Sony did rebadge the Tamron superzooms.

Hmm. I'm pretty sure there was a Nikon lens that was a rebadged Tamron. Anyway, by googling I find that almost every Nikon lens out there has been claimed to be a rebadged tamron. It is not only here this nonsense florish

**Rondec** · 09-10-2015, 07:32 AM

I would be surprised if a 24-70 would end up being a rebadge as that seems relatively easy to create, as opposed to an ultra wide zoom, where creating a 14-24-ish zoom that is competitive with Nikon has to be their goal (and I don't see a history of anything like that in their lens portfolio history).

biz-engineer · 09-10-2015, 08:12 AM

I'm not sure how to consider the "rebadge" thing. In the end, for any part of the value chain, there's always the question "make or buy" that can be asked. I don't mind most parts of a lens being outsourced, especially if the spec is designed to fit a system with differentiated features, defined as Pentax features according to Ricoh. Who knows is Sigma and Tamron are not also able to offer lens design and manufacturing services? I guess at some point of a lower volume budget, it might be more cost effective to have a lens fully designed and manufactured by Tamron, according to Pentax specifications provided by Ricoh. For instance I was watching a documentary about Sigma lens factory showing lens components being delivered by Hoya, and assembled by Sigma. The same goes for cmos sensors: i've read that Nikon designed their own sensors; well, I strongly doubt about this since the NRE for tooling and know how required for cmos sensor design is miles away from the tooling and skill set required for camera design. In my opinion, it is much more plausible that Nikon gave unique spec to Sony to implement tweaks into a variant of a cmos sensor baseline model delivered to Nikon only, while Sony imaging and others such as Ricoh using the baseline sensor for example.

Winder · 09-10-2015, 08:18 AM

I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass.

redcat · 09-10-2015, 08:25 AM

Originally posted by Winder

I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass.

exactly ! they have all the best glass : 85mm 1.4, 135mm 1.8, 50mm 1.2, 28mm f2.... update the coating & AF and that's all we need

Mistral75 · 09-10-2015, 08:26 AM

Originally posted by Winder

I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass.

If you use glass with different optical properties, like ED or Super ED, you have to redesign the whole optical formula.

**Pål Jensen** · 09-10-2015, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

I'm not sure how to consider the "rebadge" thing. In the end, for any part of the value chain, there's always the question "make or buy" that can be asked. I don't mind most parts of a lens being outsourced, especially if the spec is designed to fit a system with differentiated features, defined as Pentax features according to Ricoh. .

The camera manufacturers are design and assembly outfits. Almost all parts are made by subcontractors. Some mix up this with rebadging which is something entirely different...

RockvilleBob · 09-10-2015, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by Winder

I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass.

I keep my fingers crossed for a modern F*600 f4 My friend has the Nikon 600 f4 - worth what he paid for it - sharp, fast focusing etc.

I am sure there would be some arm wrestling in the home front but I am guessing I would save and get it.

**Hattifnatt** · 09-10-2015, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

I would be surprised if a 24-70 would end up being a rebadge as that seems relatively easy to create, as opposed to an ultra wide zoom, where creating a 14-24-ish zoom that is competitive with Nikon has to be their goal (and I don't see a history of anything like that in their lens portfolio history).

Looking at the latest roadmap, for 2015 I see a "D FA Large Diameter Standard Zoom". That has to be something like 24-70 f2.8, right ?

And the "D FA large diameter wide zoom" would be something like the Nikon's 14-24 or 16-35 ?

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09-10-2015, 02:25 AM - 3 Likes	#706
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by davidsladek has everyone registered the calm before the storm on these forums? Dead calm this year... as for now. Last edited by Mistral75; 09-10-2015 at 02:35 AM.

09-10-2015, 03:55 AM	#707
patarok Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 389	Originally posted by elpolodiablo Why is every time Tamron/Tokina announce a new lens there is a automatic assumption that there will be a rebadged version for Pentax? Yes Pentax rebadged a few super-zooms from Tamron but why it is engrained in some people's logic that Pentax is not designing their own lens, instead they would just use other people's design and slap a Pentax logo on it? Sorry for the rant but I've not seen any concrete evidence so far that Pentax is rebranding ANY new lens from ANY OTHER brand for the incoming FF. agreed. and wasn't there actually just ONE rebranded lens from Tamron? ---------- Post added 09-10-15 at 03:56 AM ---------- ... i like the bomb...

09-10-2015, 04:13 AM	#708
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by patarok agreed. and wasn't there actually just ONE rebranded lens from Tamron?[COLOR="Silver"] (...) At least two, including 18-250mm and 18-270mm .

09-10-2015, 04:15 AM	#709
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Mistral75 At least two, including 18-250mm and 18-270mm . Didn't Nikon rebadge one or both of them also? I guess all new Nikon lenses must be rebadged!

09-10-2015, 04:21 AM	#710
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Didn't Nikon rebadge one or both of them also? I guess all new Nikon lenses must be rebadged! No. Nikon have their own 18-200mm (2 versions, both f/3.5-5.6, the first one launched in 2005, the second in 2009) and 18-300mm (2 versions as well, the first one being f/3.5-5.6 launched in 2012 and the second one, f/3.5-6.3 and more compact, launched last year). Sony did rebadge the Tamron superzooms.

09-10-2015, 04:27 AM	#711
Jean Poitiers Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Lost in translation ... Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 18,076	Nice bomb ...

09-10-2015, 06:59 AM	#712
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by Mistral75 No. Nikon have their own 18-200mm (2 versions, both f/3.5-5.6, the first one launched in 2005, the second in 2009) and 18-300mm (2 versions as well, the first one being f/3.5-5.6 launched in 2012 and the second one, f/3.5-6.3 and more compact, launched last year). Sony did rebadge the Tamron superzooms. Hmm. I'm pretty sure there was a Nikon lens that was a rebadged Tamron. Anyway, by googling I find that almost every Nikon lens out there has been claimed to be a rebadged tamron. It is not only here this nonsense florish

09-10-2015, 07:32 AM	#713
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	I would be surprised if a 24-70 would end up being a rebadge as that seems relatively easy to create, as opposed to an ultra wide zoom, where creating a 14-24-ish zoom that is competitive with Nikon has to be their goal (and I don't see a history of anything like that in their lens portfolio history).

09-10-2015, 08:12 AM	#714
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,231	I'm not sure how to consider the "rebadge" thing. In the end, for any part of the value chain, there's always the question "make or buy" that can be asked. I don't mind most parts of a lens being outsourced, especially if the spec is designed to fit a system with differentiated features, defined as Pentax features according to Ricoh. Who knows is Sigma and Tamron are not also able to offer lens design and manufacturing services? I guess at some point of a lower volume budget, it might be more cost effective to have a lens fully designed and manufactured by Tamron, according to Pentax specifications provided by Ricoh. For instance I was watching a documentary about Sigma lens factory showing lens components being delivered by Hoya, and assembled by Sigma. The same goes for cmos sensors: i've read that Nikon designed their own sensors; well, I strongly doubt about this since the NRE for tooling and know how required for cmos sensor design is miles away from the tooling and skill set required for camera design. In my opinion, it is much more plausible that Nikon gave unique spec to Sony to implement tweaks into a variant of a cmos sensor baseline model delivered to Nikon only, while Sony imaging and others such as Ricoh using the baseline sensor for example.

09-10-2015, 08:18 AM	#715
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass.

09-10-2015, 08:25 AM	#716
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939	Originally posted by Winder I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass. exactly ! they have all the best glass : 85mm 1.4, 135mm 1.8, 50mm 1.2, 28mm f2.... update the coating & AF and that's all we need

09-10-2015, 08:26 AM	#717
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Winder I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass. If you use glass with different optical properties, like ED or Super ED, you have to redesign the whole optical formula.

09-10-2015, 09:02 AM	#718
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by biz-engineer I'm not sure how to consider the "rebadge" thing. In the end, for any part of the value chain, there's always the question "make or buy" that can be asked. I don't mind most parts of a lens being outsourced, especially if the spec is designed to fit a system with differentiated features, defined as Pentax features according to Ricoh. . The camera manufacturers are design and assembly outfits. Almost all parts are made by subcontractors. Some mix up this with rebadging which is something entirely different...

09-10-2015, 10:08 AM	#719
RockvilleBob Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Lewes DE USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,780	Originally posted by Winder I would think that Ricoh can take most of the Pentax designs and update them with modern coatings and the addition of ED/Super-ED glass. Throw in modern AF motors and WR and they will have some great glass. I keep my fingers crossed for a modern F*600 f4 My friend has the Nikon 600 f4 - worth what he paid for it - sharp, fast focusing etc. I am sure there would be some arm wrestling in the home front but I am guessing I would save and get it.

09-10-2015, 10:23 AM	#720
Hattifnatt Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Bucharest Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,625	Originally posted by Rondec I would be surprised if a 24-70 would end up being a rebadge as that seems relatively easy to create, as opposed to an ultra wide zoom, where creating a 14-24-ish zoom that is competitive with Nikon has to be their goal (and I don't see a history of anything like that in their lens portfolio history). Looking at the latest roadmap, for 2015 I see a "D FA Large Diameter Standard Zoom". That has to be something like 24-70 f2.8, right ? And the "D FA large diameter wide zoom" would be something like the Nikon's 14-24 or 16-35 ?