Originally posted by kenspo It says it self, that the first FF will be more expensive then what pentaxians are used to with other cameras.
You are making loose faith, to be honest.
I don't mind paying a fair price for a high-end camera, but Pentax is not Leica, neither by reputation nor by quality.
Affordable FF cameras have been existing for years already and the used-market will see more of the excellent current FF models at very attractive prices. Why would anyone wanting an FF stay with Pentax if they after over a decade of delay introduce an FF model that will only appeal to a very low number of shooters?
Even a very well-specced Pentax FF that perhaps has one nice new feature that we don't know of, will be very easily be dismissed by review sites like DPReview if the price isn't competitive. DPReview will use a high price against the camera and will again use the comment "
Potentially a good upgrade for someone already using Pentax but not attractive enough for anyone to switch systems". Findings like these will be much more important than some professionals using Pentax.
Originally posted by kenspo Not only because its a FF, but i've said it before; Pentax/Ricoh aims for the pro-marked firstly.
I see three problems with this:
- Which prominent pro is going to swap their system to Pentax given that
- most are on the PR payroll of some manufacturer already,
- the professional support network does not exist,
- the lens offerings are not competitive with Canikon, and
- the Pentax flash system is hopelessly outdated?
- Pentaxians (or people that are inclined to become Pentaxians) are not sheep. Pentaxians do not blindly follow what other people do. The "I'll get what the pros have" strategy does not work with (potential) Pentaxians. Now that still leaves non-Pentaxians to become Pentaxians, if -- and that's a big IF -- Pentax manages to attract some high-impact pros, but why would those non-Pentaxians choose Pentax over Canikon if Pentax adopts Canikon pricing?
- If pros indeed start using Pentax, then someone needs to tell the world about it. Given Pentax's advertising history, I am highly sceptical that they could actually capitalise on pros making the choice for Pentax.
BTW, one of the Pentax officials announced the FF model as a token of appreciation for existing Pentaxians. Pentax finally realised that they are bleeding high-end users to Canikon and wanted to finally give existing Pentaxians a reason to stay with Pentax. They won't achieve that by releasing a high-priced model intended for pros only.
Originally posted by kenspo There will most certainly come more FF's at a later stage.
I doubt it, if they make the later FFs dependent on the success of the first one.
Originally posted by kenspo But with Pentax, you'll still get more for your money then with CaNikon.
Currently that's true because the bodies still provide great value for money.
The lenses, however, have become rather pricey over the years and often don't offer respective performance, with Pentax not passing on savings they should have by not needing to implement optical stabilisation and advanced AF ring motors.
If Pentax prices their FF model with the same value for money ratio one knows from top Canikon models, I'll have to disagree with the notion that you get more for your money.
Now, perhaps Ricoh has the perfect long-term plan and a strategy like the one you indicated could work with a lot of commitment, financial investment, and patience. Ricoh's approach to advertising, distributors and service centres would have to radically change though. It would be possible, but seems rather unlikely given current market dynamics.
I'm still hoping that Pentax will offer an FF model that will provide great value for money, continuing their tradition and strength. If they don't then it seems a real FF release seems much further away than we all thought, if it happens at all.