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09-20-2015, 01:47 PM   #706
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I saw a K-01/DA40SX kit at a great price so I grabbed it up. Never used a DA40SX. I'll have lots and lots of fun with that and the legendary K-series lenses I've bought this summer while waiting for the FF to debut.


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Boeing was suppose to deliver the first 787 in May 2008, they done it on September 2011.
Production delay are normal in almost all industry and ... in your personal project also.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Glorfindelrb Quote
Ok that's a common problem and it's not my 120-400. Good to know.
Me too, DxO Optics Pro 9 gets confused with the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 lens, I have to choose it from the optional list DxO *thinks* it might be when starting work on a new batch of files. The 70-200 OS HSM lens is not identified but DxO properly chooses the correct module, fortunately!!

If I were a Billionaire, I would sue as many software programmers as possible on an on-going basis so these problems with software are fixed for good. But, I can't afford it.......
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QuoteOriginally posted by goldenarrow Quote
Me too, DxO Optics Pro 9 gets confused with the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 lens, I have to choose it from the optional list DxO *thinks* it might be when starting work on a new batch of files. The 70-200 OS HSM lens is not identified but DxO properly chooses the correct module, fortunately!!

If I were a Billionaire, I would sue as many software programmers as possible on an on-going basis so these problems with software are fixed for good. But, I can't afford it.......
Software programmers are not slaves, they do it for money. Could look very strange, but that's the thing. There always many many stupid things to do, thousand of different cases to manage and in the end, you must have priorties.

if the guy was not paid to fix the issue, he will not fix it. Exactly like a pro photographer would not cover a wedding for free or a painter would not refresh you home just for the sake of it. Sueing them will not change anything.

More, as an employee, you canno't sue him because he didn't implement something that was not part of what he was asked to do. The company? Their lisenses are made to prevent Lunatic like you make them go bankrupt because they want the perfect software for 200$ (or even sometime, for free).

Cost of software is exponential... You can do a great design and have something really cool in no time, but because of all the crap everywhere, you spend most of your time ensure it work in all cases. You have to stop somewhere.

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If it would depend on me, I would make goldenarrow to live without our nasty, buggy software for a week. I'm not talking only about his PC; electronic devices, his car, washing machine, microwave owen etc. - they would all be useless for a week. He would have to get provisions, because food distribution depends on software, too - and also the supermarket's POS and the electronic payment systems. He won't be able to buy anything. He won't be able to do anything.

Then, perhaps he would understand how incredibly awesome we are.
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QuoteOriginally posted by goldenarrow Quote
Me too, DxO Optics Pro 9 gets confused with the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 lens, I have to choose it from the optional list DxO *thinks* it might be when starting work on a new batch of files. The 70-200 OS HSM lens is not identified but DxO properly chooses the correct module, fortunately!!

If I were a Billionaire, I would sue as many software programmers as possible on an on-going basis so these problems with software are fixed for good. But, I can't afford it.......
Better know that this problem arises because Sigma has a confusing way to identify its' lense (equivalent of IMEI number for your smartphone, that would be the same on your Blackberry that on someone's i-Phone... ), and DxO has problems cros-checking those data....
So does Pentax with incomplete "IMEI" numbers for its lenses....
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QuoteOriginally posted by goldenarrow Quote
Me too, DxO Optics Pro 9 gets confused with the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 lens, I have to choose it from the optional list DxO *thinks* it might be when starting work on a new batch of files. The 70-200 OS HSM lens is not identified but DxO properly chooses the correct module, fortunately!!

If I were a Billionaire, I would sue as many software programmers as possible on an on-going basis so these problems with software are fixed for good. But, I can't afford it.......
Might be more effective to pay them to fix it
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QuoteOriginally posted by goldenarrow Quote
Me too, DxO Optics Pro 9 gets confused with the Sigma 10-20 f/4-5.6 lens, I have to choose it from the optional list DxO *thinks* it might be when starting work on a new batch of files. The 70-200 OS HSM lens is not identified but DxO properly chooses the correct module, fortunately!!

If I were a Billionaire, I would sue as many software programmers as possible on an on-going basis so these problems with software are fixed for good. But, I can't afford it.......
That's Sigma's problem. They use a few different numbers to identify their lenses and they actually re-use those numbers. So I know there is one of their 17-70 lenses that has the same number identifier as a 70-200 f2.8 lens. With an ambiguous identifier, of course the software won't know which lens is being used. They should only use one number per lens, but they are probably afraid of using one of Pentax's numbers -- possible I suppose since there is no agreement between them.

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QuoteOriginally posted by goldenarrow Quote
If I were a Billionaire, I would sue as many software programmers as possible on an on-going basis so these problems with software are fixed for good. But, I can't afford it.......
If you were a billionaire, you would know better, because you would have made good decisions to become that wealthy As a retired software developer, I can tell you with certainty that we don't have enough money to make suing us worthwhile Proving responsibility would also be impossible Many minds are responsible for the decisions you're complaining about
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As an actual software developer, I will add that "fixing the last bug" is an ongoing joke in our branch.
"99 little bugs in the code,
99 littles bugs.
Take one down, patch it around,
117 little bugs in the code." - that's the world we live in.

Software is the most complex thing built by humans, and FTR nobody would pay for consumer software as much as for critical mission software. We're often underpaid, overworked, denied our requests to do things properly.

But in this case, it's not even a bug, it's not getting proper data (lens ID) to act upon. And he thinks to sue us? That's crazy. Insane. But, hey, if it's that bad he should stop using our software NOW. Because we'll never fix the last bug.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
If it would depend on me, I would make goldenarrow to live without our nasty, buggy software for a week. I'm not talking only about his PC; electronic devices, his car, washing machine, microwave owen etc. - they would all be useless for a week. He would have to get provisions, because food distribution depends on software, too - and also the supermarket's POS and the electronic payment systems. He won't be able to buy anything. He won't be able to do anything.

Then, perhaps he would understand how incredibly awesome we are.
You would have no flights, no car, no boat for transportation or any public transportation.
You would have no electricity (managed by computers), no phone and of course no internet or TV. Hey the water pump and water network is also controlled by software. So no water neither.
You would have no bank, so no money, no stock exchange, no way to pay for things or to be paid... No more billionaires !

And sure no food and in general no goods of any type because the orders, payment, delivery and accounting are managed by software.

And of course the worst maybe for our friend: no advenced lense design, no digital sensor, no EVF, no post processing software.
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https://youtu.be/1pkVLqSaahk Phil already sang it
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Might be more effective to pay them to fix it
Now that is an idea I can support wholeheartedly, unfortunately, I can't afford that either......

Good comments from you software types (if a bit sensitive and defensive). I think you actually make my point for me, it is all too complex, and there is something to be said for simplicity and clarity. Of course, everyone has a say in what features go into a product and it becomes more and more complex. Cutting through the complexity and making something work is more challenging that ever. I don't use half of the features in a camera, for instance, and tend to choose products that have a coherent history of years of refinement and a common practical/useful philosophy. I buy Honda cars for similar reasons. It is a chosen balance between value + performance. Things that are always buggy get annoying and old after a while. I think many Pentax users have some similar sentiments.

But I would still try suing someone just for the fun of it. But I am not a Billionaire, so no threat from me anytime soon!!
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QuoteOriginally posted by Nicolas06 Quote
You would have no flights, no car, no boat for transportation or any public transportation.
You would have no electricity (managed by computers), no phone and of course no internet or TV. Hey the water pump and water network is also controlled by software. So no water neither.
You would have no bank, so no money, no stock exchange, no way to pay for things or to be paid... No more billionaires !

And sure no food and in general no goods of any type because the orders, payment, delivery and accounting are managed by software.

And of course the worst maybe for our friend: no advenced lense design, no digital sensor, no EVF, no post processing software.

Typically human behavior to implement solutions to problems which, in turn, create the need for ever more complex responses to manage the growing mess.
Each step roping us into ever tighter confines and dependencies.
And vulnerabilities.

Would we have it any other way?
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