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rawr · 08-11-2015, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Ricoh have very probably restaured their historical lens relationships with both Tamron and Tokina.

Tamron contract manufactures lenses for everybody, including Sony (who own 10% of Tamron) and Nikon reportedly, for every type of camera. As long as their money is good, I see no barrier to them working closely with Ricoh for future lenses.

As with their relationships with other brands, some of the lenses Tamron make (eg for Sony) may not even need to appear as Tamron branded versions. So it's possible that they could even make a few Pentax specific lenses.

Furthermore like Pentax, Tamron also has a lens factory in Vietnam [Hanoi], making it even easier for the two manufacturers to work together, and even harder for casual observers to figure out who really makes Pentax branded lenses.

btnapa · 08-11-2015, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by rawr

Tamron contract manufactures lenses for everybody, including Sony (who own 10% of Tamron) and Nikon reportedly, for every type of camera. As long as their money is good, I see no barrier to them working closely with Ricoh for future lenses.

As with their relationships with other brands, some of the lenses Tamron make (eg for Sony) may not even need to appear as Tamron branded versions. So it's possible that they could even make a few Pentax specific lenses.

Furthermore like Pentax, Tamron also has a lens factory in Vietnam [Hanoi], making it even easier for the two manufacturers to work together, and even harder for casual observers to figure out who really makes Pentax branded lenses.

I agree. It would make sense for Tamron to just add the K-mount. It is not like they are redesigning the lenses.

I ended up hanging out with a Tamron Rep at the WPPI show in Vegas a couple of years ago. I asked him about this very issue. He has been with the company for a long time so he aught to know what their thinking is. His response was that Tamron is looking for serious volume before committing to manufacturing for any particular mount or company. And in their mind K-mount does not have the numbers. That is one of the reasons even Sigma dropped one or two of their K-mount offerings.

Let's hope with the new FF and continued Ricoh support they (Tamron and Sigma) start offering more choices for Pentax users.

rawr · 08-11-2015, 06:43 PM

I just wish any Pentax FF launch in 2015 could match what they managed to come up with in 1975 when they launched K-mount:

**monochrome** · 08-11-2015, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by rawr

I just wish any Pentax FF launch in 2015 could match what they managed to come up with in 1975 when they launched K-mount:

Hey - that was shot last weekend on Phil's (gofour3) desk.

Zygonyx · 08-11-2015, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

You have a real source for theses very precise prediction (180 macro...) or is it just wishfull thinking?

It is not my habit, but a reasonnable interpretation.
I don't have the link here, but he wrote something like "you get 90%" when question was asked for a new FA*200mm macro.
Seen in some DPR thread.

@rawr : Tamron is even reported to have optically designed the last Zeiss Batis Sonnar T* 85 mm f/1,8 lens (mistral75).

But my guess is more for Pentax to re-use Tamron and Tokina lens designs and add some features like WR or drop-in filter... So let's call it "rebadging with adaptations" and possible royalties shared for R&D, than for Tamron/Tokina to relaunch K-mounted series.

**Pål Jensen** · 08-12-2015, 03:12 AM

I don't know why people are involving Tamron and Tokina into this. It seems totally baseless.....

kenspo · 08-12-2015, 03:18 AM

Is it?

Zygonyx · 08-12-2015, 03:33 AM

In a perfect world, there shouldn't be any rumor

kenspo · 08-12-2015, 03:45 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

In a perfect world, there shouldn't be any rumor

I dont have rumours..Only straight info

gorme · 08-12-2015, 04:03 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

I dont have rumours..Only straight info

And about your straight testing of the FF ? Something to share with us ?

**Pål Jensen** · 08-12-2015, 04:04 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Is it?

I believe it when i see it.
Rebadged tamron lenses will be a real dissapointment....

D1N0 · 08-12-2015, 04:19 AM

Depends on which lens

kenspo · 08-12-2015, 04:26 AM - **1 Like**

IF, i say IF Pentax rebrand the new 15-30, i will be superhappy! I tested it in Sweden (on a Nikon, but still), and its better then Nikons best lense..the 14-24 F/2.8.

---------- Post added 08-12-15 at 01:26 PM ----------

Originally posted by gorme

And about your straight testing of the FF ? Something to share with us ?

Haha..i can't share everything i know

Will tell some snippets later on..have a couple of meetings with Ricoh Scandinavia next week.

Winder · 08-12-2015, 04:40 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

I believe it when i see it.
Rebadged tamron lenses will be a real dissapointment....

Why?

The guy (Jun Hirakawa) who designed the:
- FA* 85/1.4
- FA* 80-200/2.8
- FA77 Limited
- FA43 Limited
- DA* 55/1.4 SDM

Now works for Tamron. Hoya forced him to "retire". You don't want this guy designing new lenses for K-mount?

bossa · 08-12-2015, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

I don't know why people are involving Tamron and Tokina into this. It seems totally baseless.....

It's seems to follow that the 15-30 on Pentax's lens road map will be a re-engineered/rebadged Tamron lens. I'm not aware of any other zoom lenses covering that exact range for a full frame camera.

08-11-2015, 11:23 PM	#500
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Nicolas06 You have a real source for theses very precise prediction (180 macro...) or is it just wishfull thinking? It is not my habit, but a reasonnable interpretation. I don't have the link here, but he wrote something like "you get 90%" when question was asked for a new FA200mm macro. Seen in some DPR thread. @rawr : Tamron is even reported to have optically designed the last Zeiss Batis Sonnar T 85 mm f/1,8 lens (mistral75). But my guess is more for Pentax to re-use Tamron and Tokina lens designs and add some features like WR or drop-in filter... So let's call it "rebadging with adaptations" and possible royalties shared for R&D, than for Tamron/Tokina to relaunch K-mounted series. Last edited by Zygonyx; 08-12-2015 at 12:33 AM.

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08-11-2015, 03:00 PM	#496
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Zygonyx Ricoh have very probably restaured their historical lens relationships with both Tamron and Tokina. Tamron contract manufactures lenses for everybody, including Sony (who own 10% of Tamron) and Nikon reportedly, for every type of camera. As long as their money is good, I see no barrier to them working closely with Ricoh for future lenses. As with their relationships with other brands, some of the lenses Tamron make (eg for Sony) may not even need to appear as Tamron branded versions. So it's possible that they could even make a few Pentax specific lenses. Furthermore like Pentax, Tamron also has a lens factory in Vietnam [Hanoi], making it even easier for the two manufacturers to work together, and even harder for casual observers to figure out who really makes Pentax branded lenses.

08-11-2015, 06:27 PM	#497
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,615	Originally posted by rawr Tamron contract manufactures lenses for everybody, including Sony (who own 10% of Tamron) and Nikon reportedly, for every type of camera. As long as their money is good, I see no barrier to them working closely with Ricoh for future lenses. As with their relationships with other brands, some of the lenses Tamron make (eg for Sony) may not even need to appear as Tamron branded versions. So it's possible that they could even make a few Pentax specific lenses. Furthermore like Pentax, Tamron also has a lens factory in Vietnam [Hanoi], making it even easier for the two manufacturers to work together, and even harder for casual observers to figure out who really makes Pentax branded lenses. I agree. It would make sense for Tamron to just add the K-mount. It is not like they are redesigning the lenses. I ended up hanging out with a Tamron Rep at the WPPI show in Vegas a couple of years ago. I asked him about this very issue. He has been with the company for a long time so he aught to know what their thinking is. His response was that Tamron is looking for serious volume before committing to manufacturing for any particular mount or company. And in their mind K-mount does not have the numbers. That is one of the reasons even Sigma dropped one or two of their K-mount offerings. Let's hope with the new FF and continued Ricoh support they (Tamron and Sigma) start offering more choices for Pentax users.

08-11-2015, 06:43 PM	#498
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	I just wish any Pentax FF launch in 2015 could match what they managed to come up with in 1975 when they launched K-mount:

08-11-2015, 07:01 PM	#499
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by rawr I just wish any Pentax FF launch in 2015 could match what they managed to come up with in 1975 when they launched K-mount: Hey - that was shot last weekend on Phil's (gofour3) desk.

08-12-2015, 03:12 AM	#501
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	I don't know why people are involving Tamron and Tokina into this. It seems totally baseless.....

08-12-2015, 03:18 AM	#502
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Is it?

08-12-2015, 03:33 AM	#503
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	In a perfect world, there shouldn't be any rumor

08-12-2015, 03:45 AM	#504
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Zygonyx In a perfect world, there shouldn't be any rumor I dont have rumours..Only straight info

08-12-2015, 04:03 AM	#505
gorme Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Galway - Ireland Posts: 213	Originally posted by kenspo I dont have rumours..Only straight info And about your straight testing of the FF ? Something to share with us ?

08-12-2015, 04:04 AM	#506
Pål Jensen Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 4,371	Originally posted by kenspo Is it? I believe it when i see it. Rebadged tamron lenses will be a real dissapointment....

08-12-2015, 04:19 AM	#507
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Depends on which lens

08-12-2015, 04:26 AM - 1 Like	#508
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	IF, i say IF Pentax rebrand the new 15-30, i will be superhappy! I tested it in Sweden (on a Nikon, but still), and its better then Nikons best lense..the 14-24 F/2.8. ---------- Post added 08-12-15 at 01:26 PM ---------- Originally posted by gorme And about your straight testing of the FF ? Something to share with us ? Haha..i can't share everything i know Will tell some snippets later on..have a couple of meetings with Ricoh Scandinavia next week.

08-12-2015, 04:40 AM	#509
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by Pål Jensen I believe it when i see it. Rebadged tamron lenses will be a real dissapointment.... Why? The guy (Jun Hirakawa) who designed the: - FA* 85/1.4 - FA* 80-200/2.8 - FA77 Limited - FA43 Limited - DA* 55/1.4 SDM Now works for Tamron. Hoya forced him to "retire". You don't want this guy designing new lenses for K-mount?

08-12-2015, 04:42 AM	#510
bossa Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Adelaide Posts: 4,546	Originally posted by Pål Jensen I don't know why people are involving Tamron and Tokina into this. It seems totally baseless..... It's seems to follow that the 15-30 on Pentax's lens road map will be a re-engineered/rebadged Tamron lens. I'm not aware of any other zoom lenses covering that exact range for a full frame camera.