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Simen1 · 02-12-2016, 03:09 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Nesten ja. Aukra

Beklager, feil kommune. Thanks! I didn't know that.

The waiting is killing me.

Originally posted by Zygonyx

It would be nice to stop this complete Off Topic, don't you think ?

Yes, someone (asahi man?) said it would be an improved D810 sensor with higher DR. D810 already have an impressive low ISO 64 (and emulated 32). I hope its improved by BSI technique and native ISO down to 50 (I don't care about emulation).

There also was some talk about a surprise in the view finder. A big VF will impress but not surprise. The prism house is somewhat unusually shaped. Maybe we get the first hybrid prism finder, with an option to turn on a digital image with information overlay or only digital image in live view mode. Just pure speculations here, but I think its exciting to dig anything out of the hints we get.

Last edited by Simen1; 02-16-2016 at 09:33 AM.

jaad75 · 02-12-2016, 04:54 AM

I guess you don't understand the consequences - if they indeed used an old IMX094, there is no chance not only for 4K, but for more than 5 frames per second in continuous mode. It means as well, that waiting for the new Milbeaut was just a waste of time - an old Milbeaut 7 aka PRIME III would do the job.
All those things don't look good, especially marketing-wise, if they want to sell K-1 as a full featured pro model, like Kenneth and others suggested many times. It doesn't mean it will be a bad camera, but it means it doesn't look that good in 2016 - more like another "me-too" product.
I would love to see Pentax competing with serious features, not just the price and some nice add-ons.

D1N0 · 02-12-2016, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by jaad75

I guess you don't understand the consequences - if they indeed used an old IMX094, there is no chance not only for 4K, but for more than 5 frames per second in continuous mode. It means as well, that waiting for the new Milbeaut was just a waste of time - an old Milbeaut 7 aka PRIME III would do the job.
All those things don't look good, especially marketing-wise, if they want to sell K-1 as a full featured pro model, like Kenneth and others suggested many times. It doesn't mean it will be a bad camera, but it means it doesn't look that good in 2016 - more like another "me-too" product.
I would love to see Pentax competing with serious features, not just the price and some nice add-ons.

Not every imx094 is the same. in the D810 it was improved and went from 4 to 5 fps and 7fps in dx. We'll just have to wait for the final specs. Maybe they doubled the read out lanes like they did in the imx271

Zygonyx · 02-12-2016, 06:05 AM - **2 Likes**

I am not a moderator...

but please re-read the title of the present thread :

"New APSC Pentax by early 2016, using Sony A7000 sensor? "

D1N0 · 02-12-2016, 06:08 AM

a6300

jaad75 · 02-12-2016, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

Not every imx094 is the same. in the D810 it was improved and went from 4 to 5 fps and 7fps in dx.

It is basically the same. Little tweaks here and there.

Originally posted by D1N0

We'll just have to wait for the final specs.

Yes. Fps should tell everything.

Originally posted by D1N0

Maybe they doubled the read out lanes like they did in the imx271

They could. They could made it copper instead of aluminium as well. I don't believe they made it BSI though.

CarlJF · 02-12-2016, 07:52 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

"Let the cat out of the bag" or "Don't let the cat out of the bag" is / was quite common where I grew up in eastern USA. Meant not to let the secret out.

And it has been around a long time:

According to this site: Let the cat out of the bag - meaning and origin. the phrase is common in English, Dutch and German.

I know that the expression is also commonly used (and understand!) in most english speaking countries. In my answer to Mistral, which is in France where this expression isn't used and probably would raised eyebrows if I use it, by "outside Quebec" I was meaning "french speaking countries outside Canada". BTW, we also commonly used the standard french expressions mentionned by Mistral... I guess we have the best of both worlds on this one! We have even more choices for swearwords for which we commonly used those coming from France (if we're not really angry), US (we're somewhat angry), and our own local ones (we're really, really angry. And children are not allowed to use them). Quite useful to quickly evaluate the level of anger of the person you're talking to!

The Squirrel Mafia · 02-16-2016, 08:41 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

I am not a moderator...

but please re-read the title of the present thread :

"New APSC Pentax by early 2016, using Sony A7000 sensor? "

This. Need more APS-C talk.

pathdoc · 02-16-2016, 08:54 AM

Your early 2016 APS-C Pentax is called the K-1 in crop mode.

The Squirrel Mafia · 02-16-2016, 10:10 AM

^ Aaaaaaaarrrrgh!

But in all seriousness, I'm hoping that the next generation APS-C flagship will have better performance & IQ than the Nikon D7200. That seems to be the prosumer DSLR to beat at the moment.

An updated version of the K-50 like a K-80 or sometihng would be nice with the wireless flash capability intact & maybe even 14bit RAW files.

I should be tarred & feathered for even thinking of this, but something from Pentax that is similar to the Nikon D500 would be awesome too. Yeah. I know that it's like asking for world peace or something. I'll go ahead & start pouring tar on myself now.

totsmuyco · 02-17-2016, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

^ Aaaaaaaarrrrgh!

But in all seriousness, I'm hoping that the next generation APS-C flagship will have better performance & IQ than the Nikon D7200. That seems to be the prosumer DSLR to beat at the moment.

An updated version of the K-50 like a K-80 or sometihng would be nice with the wireless flash capability intact & maybe even 14bit RAW files.

I should be tarred & feathered for even thinking of this, but something from Pentax that is similar to the Nikon D500 would be awesome too. Yeah. I know that it's like asking for world peace or something. I'll go ahead & start pouring tar on myself now.

I'm happy that the k-1 is out. This just shows that Pentax is alive and is seriously keeping the k-mount. However, a new and better APS-C is what I really want. I would also like to see further development of APS-C lenses. Though FF lenses can be used in APS-C, they seem to be big and heavy. Anyway, I can wait for that. I'll just keep using what I have which at present I'm really happy.

Dieseler · 02-17-2016, 07:31 AM

Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia

something from Pentax that is similar to the Nikon D500 would be awesome too.

You bet! Or at least the AF tracking and the buffer.

Nicolas06 · 02-17-2016, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Dieseler

You bet! Or at least the AF tracking and the buffer.

AF seems to be the main difference, for the rest the K3 is on top.

totsmuyco · 02-17-2016, 08:06 PM

AF plus, noise free on low light and high ISO settings. I am asking for noise free pictures at 6400. I may be dreaming, but who knows what technology will provide in the future.

Simen1 · 02-18-2016, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

AF plus, noise free on low light and high ISO settings. I am asking for noise free pictures at 6400. I may be dreaming, but who knows what technology will provide in the future.

New technology cant break the laws of physics. There will be no such thing as noise free, no matter what ISO, Its just a question of how much noise will be acceptable for you.

02-12-2016, 07:52 AM	#577
CarlJF Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,184	Originally posted by jatrax "Let the cat out of the bag" or "Don't let the cat out of the bag" is / was quite common where I grew up in eastern USA. Meant not to let the secret out. And it has been around a long time: According to this site: Let the cat out of the bag - meaning and origin. the phrase is common in English, Dutch and German. I know that the expression is also commonly used (and understand!) in most english speaking countries. In my answer to Mistral, which is in France where this expression isn't used and probably would raised eyebrows if I use it, by "outside Quebec" I was meaning "french speaking countries outside Canada". BTW, we also commonly used the standard french expressions mentionned by Mistral... I guess we have the best of both worlds on this one! We have even more choices for swearwords for which we commonly used those coming from France (if we're not really angry), US (we're somewhat angry), and our own local ones (we're really, really angry. And children are not allowed to use them). Quite useful to quickly evaluate the level of anger of the person you're talking to!

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02-12-2016, 03:09 AM	#571
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	Originally posted by kenspo Nesten ja. Aukra Beklager, feil kommune. Thanks! I didn't know that. The waiting is killing me. Originally posted by Zygonyx It would be nice to stop this complete Off Topic, don't you think ? Yes, someone (asahi man?) said it would be an improved D810 sensor with higher DR. D810 already have an impressive low ISO 64 (and emulated 32). I hope its improved by BSI technique and native ISO down to 50 (I don't care about emulation). There also was some talk about a surprise in the view finder. A big VF will impress but not surprise. The prism house is somewhat unusually shaped. Maybe we get the first hybrid prism finder, with an option to turn on a digital image with information overlay or only digital image in live view mode. Just pure speculations here, but I think its exciting to dig anything out of the hints we get. Last edited by Simen1; 02-16-2016 at 09:33 AM.

02-12-2016, 04:54 AM	#572
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	I guess you don't understand the consequences - if they indeed used an old IMX094, there is no chance not only for 4K, but for more than 5 frames per second in continuous mode. It means as well, that waiting for the new Milbeaut was just a waste of time - an old Milbeaut 7 aka PRIME III would do the job. All those things don't look good, especially marketing-wise, if they want to sell K-1 as a full featured pro model, like Kenneth and others suggested many times. It doesn't mean it will be a bad camera, but it means it doesn't look that good in 2016 - more like another "me-too" product. I would love to see Pentax competing with serious features, not just the price and some nice add-ons.

02-12-2016, 05:44 AM	#573
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,801	Originally posted by jaad75 I guess you don't understand the consequences - if they indeed used an old IMX094, there is no chance not only for 4K, but for more than 5 frames per second in continuous mode. It means as well, that waiting for the new Milbeaut was just a waste of time - an old Milbeaut 7 aka PRIME III would do the job. All those things don't look good, especially marketing-wise, if they want to sell K-1 as a full featured pro model, like Kenneth and others suggested many times. It doesn't mean it will be a bad camera, but it means it doesn't look that good in 2016 - more like another "me-too" product. I would love to see Pentax competing with serious features, not just the price and some nice add-ons. Not every imx094 is the same. in the D810 it was improved and went from 4 to 5 fps and 7fps in dx. We'll just have to wait for the final specs. Maybe they doubled the read out lanes like they did in the imx271

02-12-2016, 06:05 AM - 2 Likes	#574
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02-12-2016, 06:08 AM	#575
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,801	a6300

02-12-2016, 06:22 AM	#576
jaad75 Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cracow Posts: 457	Originally posted by D1N0 Not every imx094 is the same. in the D810 it was improved and went from 4 to 5 fps and 7fps in dx. It is basically the same. Little tweaks here and there. Originally posted by D1N0 We'll just have to wait for the final specs. Yes. Fps should tell everything. Originally posted by D1N0 Maybe they doubled the read out lanes like they did in the imx271 They could. They could made it copper instead of aluminium as well. I don't believe they made it BSI though.

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The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,978	Originally posted by Zygonyx I am not a moderator... but please re-read the title of the present thread : "New APSC Pentax by early 2016, using Sony A7000 sensor? " This. Need more APS-C talk.

02-16-2016, 08:54 AM	#579
pathdoc Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Your early 2016 APS-C Pentax is called the K-1 in crop mode.

02-16-2016, 10:10 AM	#580
The Squirrel Mafia Pentaxian Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 2,978	^ Aaaaaaaarrrrgh! But in all seriousness, I'm hoping that the next generation APS-C flagship will have better performance & IQ than the Nikon D7200. That seems to be the prosumer DSLR to beat at the moment. An updated version of the K-50 like a K-80 or sometihng would be nice with the wireless flash capability intact & maybe even 14bit RAW files. I should be tarred & feathered for even thinking of this, but something from Pentax that is similar to the Nikon D500 would be awesome too. Yeah. I know that it's like asking for world peace or something. I'll go ahead & start pouring tar on myself now.

02-17-2016, 03:57 AM	#581
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,262	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia ^ Aaaaaaaarrrrgh! But in all seriousness, I'm hoping that the next generation APS-C flagship will have better performance & IQ than the Nikon D7200. That seems to be the prosumer DSLR to beat at the moment. An updated version of the K-50 like a K-80 or sometihng would be nice with the wireless flash capability intact & maybe even 14bit RAW files. I should be tarred & feathered for even thinking of this, but something from Pentax that is similar to the Nikon D500 would be awesome too. Yeah. I know that it's like asking for world peace or something. I'll go ahead & start pouring tar on myself now. I'm happy that the k-1 is out. This just shows that Pentax is alive and is seriously keeping the k-mount. However, a new and better APS-C is what I really want. I would also like to see further development of APS-C lenses. Though FF lenses can be used in APS-C, they seem to be big and heavy. Anyway, I can wait for that. I'll just keep using what I have which at present I'm really happy.

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02-17-2016, 07:31 AM	#582
Dieseler Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Western Australia Photos: Albums Posts: 350	Originally posted by The Squirrel Mafia something from Pentax that is similar to the Nikon D500 would be awesome too. You bet! Or at least the AF tracking and the buffer.

02-17-2016, 12:02 PM	#583
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by Dieseler You bet! Or at least the AF tracking and the buffer. AF seems to be the main difference, for the rest the K3 is on top.

02-17-2016, 08:06 PM	#584
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,262	AF plus, noise free on low light and high ISO settings. I am asking for noise free pictures at 6400. I may be dreaming, but who knows what technology will provide in the future.

02-18-2016, 03:26 AM	#585
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	Originally posted by totsmuyco AF plus, noise free on low light and high ISO settings. I am asking for noise free pictures at 6400. I may be dreaming, but who knows what technology will provide in the future. New technology cant break the laws of physics. There will be no such thing as noise free, no matter what ISO, Its just a question of how much noise will be acceptable for you.