New APSC Pentax by early 2016, using Sony A7000 sensor?

Mistral75 · 02-22-2016, 08:18 AM

To go back to topic:

Originally posted by asahi man:

95%

Looks like 2 new APS-C bodies this year.

D1N0 · 02-22-2016, 08:22 AM

I wonder whether they will use the K-1 controls on k-3 successor.

Doundounba · 02-22-2016, 09:02 AM

I'd pay maybe $1250 for a K-3ii successor with the K-1's control layout and screen articulation, but I don't think Ricoh will release any such camera until at least 6 months after the K-1 ships. Maybe even a full year. They want current APS-C owners to upgrade to FF...

apete · 02-22-2016, 09:09 AM

I am also waiting for k3ii successor however for me the most exciting feature would be SAFOX XII (ok we do not know much about it yet but lets keep fingers crossed for optimistic reviews). As for controls layout I am not sure if the 3rd dial would work for me. I may still prefer bigger top LCD instead of the 3rd wheel.

Anyway whatever the next APSC is gonna be we need to wait. That's for sure. And that is a pity... :-(

Nicolas06 · 02-22-2016, 12:03 PM

medium end / entry body this summer, APSC flasgship for christmas, that would be in the habits of Pentax.

**monochrome** · 02-22-2016, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

medium end / entry body this summer, APSC flasgship for christmas, that would be in the habits of Pentax.

Yes. K-50 needs the update more than K-3ll

kadajawi · 02-22-2016, 01:53 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

...

I'm not saying anyone should do this for free. I'm not saying anyone should do anything. I'm just saying that if, without proper access to documentation and the proper, kind of legible source code, they can do these amazing things, then a paid engineer at Pentax who knows his stuff might be able to do so too? Without spending as much resources and time on it? Being paid to do so, of course.

As for the K-50... there is the K-S2. Not a proper replacement for the K-50, to be sure, but they kind of fit in the same area. Both K-3 II and K-50 could do with a successor though... but it isn't urgent.

reh321 · 02-22-2016, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Yes. K-50 needs the update more than K-3ll

I haven't been clear over the past year as to what the Pentax lineup actually consists of. When the K-S2 first came out, some considered it to be the K-50 replacement and the lineup to be K-S1, K-S2, and K-3ii (once the K-3ii later "replaced" the K-3, that is). However, right now, B&H still offers both the K-3 and the K-50. I'm not sure Pentax really needs five different APS-C camera lines, so I'm keenly interested in how Pentax answers any "future direction" questions at CP++.

**monochrome** · 02-22-2016, 02:08 PM

I THINK K-S2 was a limited production one-off to test a couple technology ideas such as Wi-Fi and articulated LCD. K-s1 and K-s2 both tested LED's. There was likely internal design going on that we couldn't see. K-01 was a rest product. MX-1 tested hinged LCD.

I think K-50 is the mid-range APSc body, unless the APSc flagship becomes the Pentax mid-range body, which I think unlikely.

thibs · 02-22-2016, 02:31 PM

I would not be that surprised to see a range like this:
KS-2 replacement -> K-3II replacement -> K-1

**THoog** · 02-22-2016, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

MX-1 tested hinged LCD.

I'm not sure about this one... The X-5 superzoom had a hinged LCD before the MX-1, and the MX-1 was a "twin" of the Oly XZ-2 (both made by Asia Optical, who also made the later XG-1 superzoom, if not the X-5). It may have been less of a technology test, and more of a feature bought off the shelf from AO.

The K-S1, K-S2, and K-1 all show that Pentax has been thinking about new applications for micro LEDs, sometimes with more success than others (would it have made a difference if the green disco lights had been white?)

RockvilleBob · 02-22-2016, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by apete

I am also waiting for k3ii successor however for me the most exciting feature would be SAFOX XII (ok we do not know much about it yet but lets keep fingers crossed for optimistic reviews). As for controls layout I am not sure if the 3rd dial would work for me. I may still prefer bigger top LCD instead of the 3rd wheel.

Anyway whatever the next APSC is gonna be we need to wait. That's for sure. And that is a pity... :-(

I am waiting with you but I am guessing we will need SAFOX XIII or perhaps a brand new auto focus system. In the interim I am holding off buying any new lenses although I really want to get the Pentax 150-450 lens. I have that range covered with a Sigma 150-500 that will have to do until Pentax introduces a new APSC with state of the art auto focus. I would be happy with a K-3 reincarnated with SAFOX XX - same buttons, same resolution, same fps, blah blah blah BUT with state of the art AF.C / Tracking.

patarok · 02-22-2016, 06:40 PM

I truly hope for a FF K-S2 successor. No full metal jacket needed. Loads of good rubber over a massive carcasse will do... Lower Resolution, faster bursting...

No, the S-Line doesn't seem to be a one off thing...

Pretty sure we maybe see a Q-S2 also...(EVF)

mee · 02-22-2016, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Nicolas06

medium end / entry body this summer, APSC flasgship for christmas, that would be in the habits of Pentax.

I'm rather astonished if they have the ability to produce 2 APS-C bodies this year. But I suppose they already finished the bulk of the R&D on the K-1 months ago and probably went right to work on the next items in the pipeline. Didn't think about that initially..

I really hope the updated flagship APS-C body is like a mini K-1. Essentially everything a K-1 is just with an APS-C sensor. It would be great if they use the same grip too. That way we can carry a K-1 and a K-newAPSC and just swap the grips if need be.

reh321 · 02-22-2016, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by mee

I'm rather astonished if they have the ability to produce 2 APS-C bodies this year. But I suppose they already finished the bulk of the R&D on the K-1 months ago and probably went right to work on the next items in the pipeline. Didn't think about that initially..

I really hope the updated flagship APS-C body is like a mini K-1. Essentially everything a K-1 is just with an APS-C sensor. It would be great if they use the same grip too. That way we can carry a K-1 and a K-newAPSC and just swap the grips if need be.

Engineering three models should be much easier than engineering one model three times - they should be able to borrow engineering, sometimes even parts, between models.

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02-22-2016, 08:18 AM	#631
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	To go back to topic: Originally posted by asahi man: 95% Looks like 2 new APS-C bodies this year.

02-22-2016, 08:22 AM	#632
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I wonder whether they will use the K-1 controls on k-3 successor.

02-22-2016, 09:02 AM	#633
Doundounba Pentaxian Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Montréal QC Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,351	I'd pay maybe $1250 for a K-3ii successor with the K-1's control layout and screen articulation, but I don't think Ricoh will release any such camera until at least 6 months after the K-1 ships. Maybe even a full year. They want current APS-C owners to upgrade to FF...

02-22-2016, 09:09 AM	#634
apete Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 249	I am also waiting for k3ii successor however for me the most exciting feature would be SAFOX XII (ok we do not know much about it yet but lets keep fingers crossed for optimistic reviews). As for controls layout I am not sure if the 3rd dial would work for me. I may still prefer bigger top LCD instead of the 3rd wheel. Anyway whatever the next APSC is gonna be we need to wait. That's for sure. And that is a pity... :-(

02-22-2016, 12:03 PM	#635
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	medium end / entry body this summer, APSC flasgship for christmas, that would be in the habits of Pentax.

02-22-2016, 12:41 PM	#636
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by Nicolas06 medium end / entry body this summer, APSC flasgship for christmas, that would be in the habits of Pentax. Yes. K-50 needs the update more than K-3ll

02-22-2016, 01:53 PM	#637
kadajawi Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,799	Originally posted by Nicolas06 ... I'm not saying anyone should do this for free. I'm not saying anyone should do anything. I'm just saying that if, without proper access to documentation and the proper, kind of legible source code, they can do these amazing things, then a paid engineer at Pentax who knows his stuff might be able to do so too? Without spending as much resources and time on it? Being paid to do so, of course. As for the K-50... there is the K-S2. Not a proper replacement for the K-50, to be sure, but they kind of fit in the same area. Both K-3 II and K-50 could do with a successor though... but it isn't urgent.

02-22-2016, 01:56 PM	#638
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by monochrome Yes. K-50 needs the update more than K-3ll I haven't been clear over the past year as to what the Pentax lineup actually consists of. When the K-S2 first came out, some considered it to be the K-50 replacement and the lineup to be K-S1, K-S2, and K-3ii (once the K-3ii later "replaced" the K-3, that is). However, right now, B&H still offers both the K-3 and the K-50. I'm not sure Pentax really needs five different APS-C camera lines, so I'm keenly interested in how Pentax answers any "future direction" questions at CP++.

02-22-2016, 02:08 PM	#639
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	I THINK K-S2 was a limited production one-off to test a couple technology ideas such as Wi-Fi and articulated LCD. K-s1 and K-s2 both tested LED's. There was likely internal design going on that we couldn't see. K-01 was a rest product. MX-1 tested hinged LCD. I think K-50 is the mid-range APSc body, unless the APSc flagship becomes the Pentax mid-range body, which I think unlikely.

02-22-2016, 02:31 PM	#640
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	I would not be that surprised to see a range like this: KS-2 replacement -> K-3II replacement -> K-1

02-22-2016, 02:33 PM	#641
THoog Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Carolina Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,685	Originally posted by monochrome MX-1 tested hinged LCD. I'm not sure about this one... The X-5 superzoom had a hinged LCD before the MX-1, and the MX-1 was a "twin" of the Oly XZ-2 (both made by Asia Optical, who also made the later XG-1 superzoom, if not the X-5). It may have been less of a technology test, and more of a feature bought off the shelf from AO. The K-S1, K-S2, and K-1 all show that Pentax has been thinking about new applications for micro LEDs, sometimes with more success than others (would it have made a difference if the green disco lights had been white?)

02-22-2016, 03:39 PM	#642
RockvilleBob Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Lewes DE USA Photos: Albums Posts: 1,780	Originally posted by apete I am also waiting for k3ii successor however for me the most exciting feature would be SAFOX XII (ok we do not know much about it yet but lets keep fingers crossed for optimistic reviews). As for controls layout I am not sure if the 3rd dial would work for me. I may still prefer bigger top LCD instead of the 3rd wheel. Anyway whatever the next APSC is gonna be we need to wait. That's for sure. And that is a pity... :-( I am waiting with you but I am guessing we will need SAFOX XIII or perhaps a brand new auto focus system. In the interim I am holding off buying any new lenses although I really want to get the Pentax 150-450 lens. I have that range covered with a Sigma 150-500 that will have to do until Pentax introduces a new APSC with state of the art auto focus. I would be happy with a K-3 reincarnated with SAFOX XX - same buttons, same resolution, same fps, blah blah blah BUT with state of the art AF.C / Tracking.

02-22-2016, 06:40 PM	#643
patarok Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Gallery Posts: 389	I truly hope for a FF K-S2 successor. No full metal jacket needed. Loads of good rubber over a massive carcasse will do... Lower Resolution, faster bursting... No, the S-Line doesn't seem to be a one off thing... Pretty sure we maybe see a Q-S2 also...(EVF)

02-22-2016, 06:48 PM	#644
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by Nicolas06 medium end / entry body this summer, APSC flasgship for christmas, that would be in the habits of Pentax. I'm rather astonished if they have the ability to produce 2 APS-C bodies this year. But I suppose they already finished the bulk of the R&D on the K-1 months ago and probably went right to work on the next items in the pipeline. Didn't think about that initially.. I really hope the updated flagship APS-C body is like a mini K-1. Essentially everything a K-1 is just with an APS-C sensor. It would be great if they use the same grip too. That way we can carry a K-1 and a K-newAPSC and just swap the grips if need be.

02-22-2016, 08:12 PM	#645
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 23,180	Originally posted by mee I'm rather astonished if they have the ability to produce 2 APS-C bodies this year. But I suppose they already finished the bulk of the R&D on the K-1 months ago and probably went right to work on the next items in the pipeline. Didn't think about that initially.. I really hope the updated flagship APS-C body is like a mini K-1. Essentially everything a K-1 is just with an APS-C sensor. It would be great if they use the same grip too. That way we can carry a K-1 and a K-newAPSC and just swap the grips if need be. Engineering three models should be much easier than engineering one model three times - they should be able to borrow engineering, sometimes even parts, between models.