New APSC Pentax by early 2016, using Sony A7000 sensor?

Simen1 · 02-11-2016, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Kor i hælvete e du ifra?

Æ trur han e i fra Ålesund eller dæromkring. Kenneth, si nåkka æ ikkje veit og som de andre her ikkje sjønne bæra av. Trættisæks og hundreogtrættifæm-enåtte for eksæmpel

Mistral75 · 02-11-2016, 04:10 PM

Originally posted by Val.Ou

Нет ничего путного в рассчёте о колчестве пикселей сенсора К-1: их будет 36Мп, а не 42Мп, хотя бы потому, что Сони не продаст своего 42Мп-ового сенсора, пока не пройдёт год, после выспуска на рынок под собственным брендом.

пока не пройдёт год = urban / Internet legend as far as I know (and the legend rather says six months than a year). As a counterexample, the K-5 was one of the first cameras to take advantage of the (then) new Sony 16 Mpix sensor.

CarlJF · 02-11-2016, 04:26 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Quote:

Originally posted by kp0c

There is also the direct translation that works, at least here in Quebec : Le chat sort du sac. (Literally "The cat gets out of the bag")

This direct translation wouldn't be understood on this side of the Atlantic ocean except by people who know the English equivalent.

Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here...

Mistral75 · 02-11-2016, 04:36 PM

Originally posted by CarlJF

Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here...

You have been contaminated by your neighbours...

Shanti · 02-11-2016, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by kenspo

See the post above yours. And see what he writes, and he is correct.

Yes my dealer friend said 36 today as well..SO 36 it is DER ER 36 store flot megapixels

bxf · 02-11-2016, 07:18 PM

Originally posted by CarlJF

Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here...

Hmmm, as it happens, I grew up (sort of; more-or-less) in Montreal, and this expression comes rather naturally. But I've always assumed it was pretty universal in the English speaking world.

**RGlasel** · 02-11-2016, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

Ich habe ein bischen Deutsch

Nein. Ich verstehe, Ich kenne oder Ich spreche ein bißchen Deutsch. I seem to have lost my German-English dictionary, so I'm going freestyle and am going to stop before I confirm how rusty my German is. To say that you "habe" a little bit of German is too ambiguous to say to someone you don't know.

bxf · 02-11-2016, 07:23 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by jcdoss

El gato esta en mi enchilada!

You need to find another restaurant or butcher.

mee · 02-11-2016, 07:28 PM

Ich bin ein Pfannkuchen!

**monochrome** · 02-11-2016, 07:36 PM

Herr Kalmar is quite angry with me presently. OTOH, 42 years is an awfully long time.

**RGlasel** · 02-11-2016, 07:38 PM

Originally posted by Mistral75

Internet legend as far as I know (and the legend rather says six months than a year)

It may not be legendary, but I agree it is probably false.

Sony is investing in camera sensors for future growth and milking its finished camera division for cash. I can see two possibilities: one, when Ricoh was doing preliminary design work for the FF camera, Sony's 36 megapixel sensor was seen as a better choice (Sony would have been dangling the unreleased 42 MP sensor in front of OEM customers by then) or two, circumstances changed during development of the Pentax FF camera that led Ricoh to see the 36 MP sensor as a better choice. If the timing of when the 42 MP sensor would be made available to Ricoh was the deciding issue, why would Ricoh delay the release of their camera so long and still end up using the 36 MP sensor?

**jatrax** · 02-11-2016, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by CarlJF

Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here...

"Let the cat out of the bag" or "Don't let the cat out of the bag" is / was quite common where I grew up in eastern USA. Meant not to let the secret out.

And it has been around a long time:

Quote:

The first known use of the phrase in print that I have found is in a 1760 edition of The London Magazine:

"We could have wished that the author... had not let the cat out of the bag."

According to this site: Let the cat out of the bag - meaning and origin. the phrase is common in English, Dutch and German.

kenspo · 02-11-2016, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by Pål Jensen

Kor i hælvete e du ifra?

Originally posted by Simen1

Æ trur han e i fra Ålesund eller dæromkring. Kenneth, si nåkka æ ikkje veit og som de andre her ikkje sjønne bæra av. Trættisæks og hundreogtrættifæm-enåtte for eksæmpel

Nesten ja. Aukra

Zygonyx · 02-11-2016, 11:31 PM - **1 Like**

It would be nice to stop this complete Off Topic, don't you think ?

Glorfindelrb · 02-12-2016, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by RGlasel

why would Ricoh delay the release of their camera so long and still end up using the 36 MP sensor?

Probably because it was not the reason behind the delay. I think the new VF could have been or it was maybe more a commercial/supply m motivation.

The 36MP sensor is probably the best value. You lose some DP and add a huge cost for 6 more MP if you want the 42.

02-11-2016, 07:53 PM	#567
jatrax Site Supporter Join Date: May 2010 Location: Washington Cascades Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 12,991	Originally posted by CarlJF Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here... "Let the cat out of the bag" or "Don't let the cat out of the bag" is / was quite common where I grew up in eastern USA. Meant not to let the secret out. And it has been around a long time: Quote: The first known use of the phrase in print that I have found is in a 1760 edition of The London Magazine: "We could have wished that the author... had not let the cat out of the bag." According to this site: Let the cat out of the bag - meaning and origin. the phrase is common in English, Dutch and German.

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02-11-2016, 04:09 PM	#556
Simen1 Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tromsø, Norway Photos: Albums Posts: 1,031	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Kor i hælvete e du ifra? Æ trur han e i fra Ålesund eller dæromkring. Kenneth, si nåkka æ ikkje veit og som de andre her ikkje sjønne bæra av. Trættisæks og hundreogtrættifæm-enåtte for eksæmpel

02-11-2016, 04:10 PM	#557
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by Val.Ou Нет ничего путного в рассчёте о колчестве пикселей сенсора К-1: их будет 36Мп, а не 42Мп, хотя бы потому, что Сони не продаст своего 42Мп-ового сенсора, пока не пройдёт год, после выспуска на рынок под собственным брендом. пока не пройдёт год = urban / Internet legend as far as I know (and the legend rather says six months than a year). As a counterexample, the K-5 was one of the first cameras to take advantage of the (then) new Sony 16 Mpix sensor.

02-11-2016, 04:26 PM	#558
CarlJF Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Quebec City Posts: 1,185	Originally posted by Mistral75 Quote: Originally posted by kp0c There is also the direct translation that works, at least here in Quebec : Le chat sort du sac. (Literally "The cat gets out of the bag") This direct translation wouldn't be understood on this side of the Atlantic ocean except by people who know the English equivalent. Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here...

02-11-2016, 04:36 PM	#559
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Originally posted by CarlJF Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here... You have been contaminated by your neighbours...

02-11-2016, 04:52 PM	#560
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by kenspo See the post above yours. And see what he writes, and he is correct. Yes my dealer friend said 36 today as well..SO 36 it is DER ER 36 store flot megapixels

02-11-2016, 07:18 PM	#561
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by CarlJF Well, we learn something everyday on PF! I've never thought that this expression wasn't used outside Quebec. It's just so common here... Hmmm, as it happens, I grew up (sort of; more-or-less) in Montreal, and this expression comes rather naturally. But I've always assumed it was pretty universal in the English speaking world.

02-11-2016, 07:19 PM	#562
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,229	Originally posted by monochrome Ich habe ein bischen Deutsch Nein. Ich verstehe, Ich kenne oder Ich spreche ein bißchen Deutsch. I seem to have lost my German-English dictionary, so I'm going freestyle and am going to stop before I confirm how rusty my German is. To say that you "habe" a little bit of German is too ambiguous to say to someone you don't know.

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bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by jcdoss El gato esta en mi enchilada! You need to find another restaurant or butcher.

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mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Ich bin ein Pfannkuchen!

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monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Herr Kalmar is quite angry with me presently. OTOH, 42 years is an awfully long time.

02-11-2016, 07:38 PM	#566
RGlasel Site Supporter Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Saskatoon Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,229	Originally posted by Mistral75 Internet legend as far as I know (and the legend rather says six months than a year) It may not be legendary, but I agree it is probably false. Sony is investing in camera sensors for future growth and milking its finished camera division for cash. I can see two possibilities: one, when Ricoh was doing preliminary design work for the FF camera, Sony's 36 megapixel sensor was seen as a better choice (Sony would have been dangling the unreleased 42 MP sensor in front of OEM customers by then) or two, circumstances changed during development of the Pentax FF camera that led Ricoh to see the 36 MP sensor as a better choice. If the timing of when the 42 MP sensor would be made available to Ricoh was the deciding issue, why would Ricoh delay the release of their camera so long and still end up using the 36 MP sensor?

02-11-2016, 10:29 PM	#568
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Originally posted by Pål Jensen Kor i hælvete e du ifra? Originally posted by Simen1 Æ trur han e i fra Ålesund eller dæromkring. Kenneth, si nåkka æ ikkje veit og som de andre her ikkje sjønne bæra av. Trættisæks og hundreogtrættifæm-enåtte for eksæmpel Nesten ja. Aukra

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Glorfindelrb Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 364	Originally posted by RGlasel why would Ricoh delay the release of their camera so long and still end up using the 36 MP sensor? Probably because it was not the reason behind the delay. I think the new VF could have been or it was maybe more a commercial/supply m motivation. The 36MP sensor is probably the best value. You lose some DP and add a huge cost for 6 more MP if you want the 42.