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10-08-2015, 02:51 PM - 1 Like   #106
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QuoteOriginally posted by Danaher Dempsey Quote
For my use I must say that except for the FF viewfinder, I would find little reason to go Pentax FF over K3ii.
Umm...correct me if I'm wrong, but won't women be throwing themselves at me if they see me with a Pentax FF camera? What am I missing here?

10-08-2015, 08:36 PM   #107
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QuoteOriginally posted by Danaher Dempsey Quote
the new crop sensors out-perform the old full-frame sensors of just five years ago.
This is why so many people are happy with crop sensors and are questioning upgrading to FF.

So new APS-C is the old FF .. will a new Nikon 1 V4 become the old APS-C?

In bright sunlight the Nikon 1 system's 70-300mm lens with an equivalent of traditional (300 x 2.7)mm for 800+ mm looks pretty interesting.

For my use I must say that except for the FF viewfinder, I would find little reason to go Pentax FF over K3ii.
Ha, "five years ago" is soooo low-tech! And anyway, everybody knows that there were no technically worthwhile photographs created before about 2010.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Edgar_in_Indy Quote
Umm...correct me if I'm wrong, but won't women be throwing themselves at me if they see me with a Pentax FF camera? What am I missing here?
Well, time will tell. Let us know how it works out for you.
10-08-2015, 08:47 PM   #108
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I thinkDxOMark don't like PENTAX. They ignore Pentax.
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Improvement??

QuoteOriginally posted by bxf Quote
Ha, "five years ago" is soooo low-tech! And anyway, everybody knows that there were no technically worthwhile photographs created before about 2010.
BxF is on to something here..... How much does upgrading equipment add to the quality of your photographs?

For me the draw of being to see through a much improved viewfinder is what makes the FF so attractive. If I can see better, I think the photos will be improved.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Danaher Dempsey Quote
For me the draw of being to see through a much improved viewfinder is what makes the FF so attractive. If I can see better, I think the photos will be improved.
Unfortunately, this argument is overrated.

VF-magnifications with digital FF cameras aren't what they used to be at manual focus times.

E.g., the D810 has a 0.7x magnification.
while the K-3II has a 0.625x magnification (in FF terms, 0.95x/1.52).
The D810 VF is just 1.12x times larger.

Nothing compared to the VF of a Pentax MX which was 0.97x at 95% or 1.51x larger than the K-3. Compared to an MX, the viewfinders of a K-3 and D800 are almost the same.

Of course, a huge optical viewfinder could be something Pentax could use to set themselves apart from other FF offers ...
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QuoteOriginally posted by falconeye Quote
Unfortunately, this argument is overrated.

VF-magnifications with digital FF cameras aren't what they used to be at manual focus times.

E.g., the D810 has a 0.7x magnification.
while the K-3II has a 0.625x magnification (in FF terms, 0.95x/1.52).
The D810 VF is just 1.12x times larger.

Nothing compared to the VF of a Pentax MX which was 0.97x at 95% or 1.51x larger than the K-3. Compared to an MX, the viewfinders of a K-3 and D800 are almost the same.

Of course, a huge optical viewfinder could be something Pentax could use to set themselves apart from other FF offers ...
Additionally, I expect they will attempt to keep the body form factor quite small. Even the teaser images show a body not much larger than a K-3. They won't be using an extra large viewfinder. In fact, likely a smaller viewfinder than the competition.
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They won't be using an extra large viewfinder. In fact, likely a smaller viewfinder than the competition.
That massive 6x7 style prism hump might suggest something contrary.
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That massive 6x7 style prism hump might suggest something contrary.
I doubt it.

Once you put auto focus on a camera, you decrease size and brightness of your viewfinder. And I assume the coming Pentax full frame is going to have auto focus.

(although may be not video)...

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QuoteOriginally posted by monochrome Quote
That massive 6x7 style prism hump might suggest something contrary.
The prism seems to be more than 5mm higher than K3 and no flash. The mirrorbox of K-3 already is FF-ready, thus this might be really due to the VF. No one expects MX, but still larger than K-3. But we will see when we will see.
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I doubt it.

Once you put auto focus on a camera, you decrease size and brightness of your viewfinder. And I assume the coming Pentax full frame is going to have auto focus.

(although may be not video)...
Huh. Well that'll be one they don't sell then.
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Looks like you were right. If as I expect the 645Z is just a bit better than the A7rII and if there is no new camera to beat it before the publication it could finally be a good timing for RP (just after FF announcement). But if there is a better scorer in-between, the delay before publication will be viewed with suspicion.
As you quoted the DxOmark scores for 645Z should be published by the end of October. As of 3. of November i still has not happened. I'm so curious i cant wait.
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I will ask my DxO contact, will see what i get
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As you quoted the DxOmark scores for 645Z should be published by the end of October. As of 3. of November i still has not happened. I'm so curious i cant wait.
Personnaly I still wait for the detailed results. The overall score is interesting (and excellent) but is far from beeing the full story. I am waiting for Zygonyx news
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Me too. (on detailed scores and Zygonyx news)
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Well, after 3 contacts in and around the software editor, it looks like internal DxO discussions - of which content i don't know - are delaying the Z results publication.
This nevertheless "shoulnd't take long", as from now.
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