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08-19-2015, 05:13 AM   #136
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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
Interesting, I was thinking about buying the lenses first (especially if there is a 15-30) and use them on my K-3, then buy a full frame body when the price is more affordable. The problem with that is that there may not be a lot of reviews about the newer full frames lenses at the beginning.
This approach works also, but I would like to check my lenses first, I love so much some of them
Regarding the reviews, most of them will be outdated because of the optical aberrations on the borders of the frame... Optically we will have some surprises with vignetting and softness on the borders of images. And we will not get much infos from usual reviewers website because it needs some time to test lenses.

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We are in the perfect position of having a full range of full-frame lenses, albeit older and/or second-hand, ready to go if all we can afford is the body - or if we want to wait and see how the new FF lenses work out.

There is a substantial lore established with regards to working them on digital cameras, and thanks to Sony (and to a lesser extent Canon, because they have to butcher the K-mount lenses to do it) we have some idea of how they perform optically on a full-frame sensor.

Once the Full-Frame comes out, I suspect existing Pentax shooters will be racing to try every lens they've got - and for some of us here, that's quite a lot. Any problems that tend to manifest themselves after so many thousand shutter clicks will be quick to appear in absolute time terms.
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Effectively, you've called Kenspo a liar.
No. He can't be a liar if he doesn't know the truth And at the moment the truth about the FF seems to be very closely held in Japan at Ricoh HQ.
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The full frame is coming. No doubt about it. Just because Ricoh doesn't bring out a monthly newsletter about it's progress doesn't mean they may have abandoned it. That's just idle speculation.

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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
No. He can't be a liar if he doesn't know the truth And at the moment the truth about the FF seems to be very closely held in Japan at Ricoh HQ.
I'm not surprised. They're in a heck of a difficult situation, launching a new FF line just as the market looks as if it may turn more and more to mirrorless (I've been reading speculation about Canon finally making a big move instead of sitting by and allowing Sony to drain off their customers and revenue). Who knows what is going to happen. From Ricoh's POV, they could issue six bodies all at once but if they bet wrong on the form factor and technology mix it won't make the least bit of difference. These are exciting times if you are a customer but they must be darn scary if you are a camera industry executive.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
...That's just idle speculation...
As opposed to all the other information floating around here
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QuoteOriginally posted by mecrox Quote
They're in a heck of a difficult situation, launching a new FF line just as the market looks as if it may turn more and more to mirrorless
They have an "out" here, because of the whole retro thing. Every man and his dog wants something that looks like Grandad's old film camera. I keep thinking of that Spotmatic D concept on one of the other subforums, and thinking that we will probably never get that (particularly not in M42) or a "K1000-D" as a digital SLR; but even if you can't fit the guts of a DSLR inside a film body, perhaps you can fit the guts of a Q and build the K-mount adapter (perhaps even including lensturbo-type optics) into the structure.
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The specs should be leaked in September...

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They need to tell us just enough to get us excited but not enough to spoil things.
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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
Just because Ricoh doesn't bring out a monthly newsletter about it's progress doesn't mean they may have abandoned it. That's just idle speculation.
I can confirm that this is true according to Ricoh's super-secret full frame weekly newsletter that only certain insiders get.
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QuoteOriginally posted by geomez Quote
Sony did it with their A7 series. Ricoh might as well.
wow!! and I thought that I was "loaded-for-Bear" your list of lenses, by & for "PENTAX" is just fabulous!!! RJM
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QuoteOriginally posted by bxf Quote
As opposed to all the other information floating around here
Which doesn't have a 3d print or an official announcement at cp+
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QuoteOriginally posted by biz-engineer Quote
And unlike people wrongly wrote, having two body with shared R&D and different pricing/margin is better suited for low volumes, since the price of camera components is about the same from 10k per year to 100k per year
+1

And there is ample precedent: Canon has two FF sharing the similar innards, Nikon originally had two D800's, Sony has two FFs. It think *IF* Pentax is going to do the "two body" routine, they will have to share the same form factor.

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Come on , guys. This segment is chump change for Ricoh. It can afford to go after market share, if that is what it wants to do. It did so with the 645Z, right? And that was a success. We have no idea about the FF.

Cameras are relatively cheap to produce once the sunk costs are taken out of the equation. You need a sensor and processor, and everything else is basically rubber stamped, updated with each new model. I'll bet the break even in terms of units sold is a lot less than most of us think. Pentax did just fine with its 2% market share. Ricoh obviously wants to do a lot better. Right now Ricoh is more innovative than Canon or Nikon.
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
For all we know, Ricoh could have abandoned the FF project entirely 6 months ago.
That's akin to saying that since we haven't seen a new camera announcement since the K-3 II that, for all we know, Ricoh could have abandoned making cameras a month ago.
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