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08-21-2015, 12:38 AM   #181
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Closer you get, the narrower in focus area gets.

08-21-2015, 05:02 AM   #182
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Sometimes it works in your favour... in the focussing for this image the camera slightly back focussed. I was focusing on the tip of the cone. The images focussed where I was aiming to focus, were too soft on the petals. Full size you can see the image is a little soft on the tip of the cone, but the 3mm difference in focus point kept the petals, which are un-acceptably soft on the properly focussed images, in acceptable focus.

You can complain about un-reliable focus, but if you take 5 or six images, it can work out better than you deserve.
Do you use a dust-off air can or similar to clear critters? In Florida, we'd see 50 resident critters on your subject. Nice job and comments.
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QuoteOriginally posted by reh321 Quote
That's a neat picture!

The EXIF data shows an aperture of f/5.6.

I'm a little surprised that the DOF is so shallow at that aperture.
I would have expected more depth, but I have to admit that I don't take very many pictures like that, so the difference in my experience may partly reflect a difference in style and partly a difference in standards.
The image was taken at ƒ2 ƒ4 ƒ5.6 ƒ8, ƒ5.6 was the magic number where the DoF gave me enough detail, but the back ground wasn't totally messy. Of course at F2 the out of focus areas were totally creamy, but most of the subject was soft. When taking images like this, I always try and select a lens that will be close to it's closest focusing distance. That is the way to control depth of field. Some have suggested it's better controlled by using a larger format, but, both ways work. A longer lens shot close to it's minimum focusing distance provides narrow DoF equal to shooting a shorter lens at a wide aperture setting.
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A longer lens shot close to it's minimum focusing distance provides narrow DoF equal to shooting a shorter lens at a wide aperture setting.
And with all the benefits of stopping down a little (provided of course there is enough light).

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Sure. I might even buy both.
I have over 30 K-mount lenses and over a dozen are FF glass. The latter will need a home.
Does certain glas demand the investment in the comming Pentax FF? Perehaps....but then my bank account is in trouble.

I've got 16 FF autofocus lenses.
62 FF K-mount manual focus lenses, the majority Pentax K, M and A.
Another 44 m37 and m42 lenses (the majority Takumars) that cover FF and will fit with a simple adapter.
We can even count 9 DKL lenses (Rodenstock, Schneider-Kreuznach and Voigtländer) that also cover FF and will fit with a simple glas-less adapter.
Finally 12 medium format lenses (67 and 645 Pentax and Takumar), which cover FF with an adapter.

OK, not all of this will live up to a FF sensor, but many will, and some will be extremely interesting to test...thinkging foremost on the A*135/1.8.
So of course I will "need" a FF Pentax. Question is only price and how long it will take to save up for it...
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So of course I will "need" a FF Pentax.
WIth so much glass to suit, you have to get one eventually. You can't not. Curiosity won't let you shrink away from it!
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It's not the quantity of glass that matter, it's the quality: three stellar full frame lenses in K mount (wide angle, normal, tele), all the rest belongs to the eye of the photographer. LBA is different.
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Quantity, Quality, Price, Speed, Size, Weight, AF motor type all matter and at different amounts to each photographer.... but I have a more important question to ask -- Why do we even bother with these threads arguing, debating, and generally stating thoughts on the issue as if it matters? One person gives a rumor and then we have dozens of pages of hearsay about the hearsay. People arguing other people because their personalities clash.. their thoughts clash.. their surfaces clash. Everyone sticks to their guns and rehashes their view and, at the end of the thread whenever that is, nothing is gained beyond time wasted. Every thread in the News and Rumors thread thus becomes a proverbial Groundhog Day.. never finding the correct steps (or factual news) to break free from the endless cycle. It becomes a strange pattern of visiting these threads hoping to see actual news and constantly disappointed by seeing nothing that could be constituted as news...

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Why do we even bother with these threads arguing, debating, and generally stating thoughts on the issue as if it matters?
In absolute, nothing matters, earth won't stop spinning, even if there would be no photographers and no Pentax. But people have emotions, different backgrounds. So , we care, but we don't care.

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Every thread in the News and Rumors thread thus becomes a proverbial Groundhog Day.. never finding the correct steps (or factual news) to break free from the endless cycle. It becomes a strange pattern of visiting these threads hoping to see actual news and constantly disappointed by seeing nothing that could be constituted as news...
If there was a thread when there is a new press release from camera vendor, the pentaxforum wouldn't be so alive.

It's part of marketing to encourage and maintain discussion forums, to keep passion alive, develop and nurture new desires etc... and at the same time, people like to express their point of view, to be part of a social group, people actually enjoy themselves talking and being validated by others. So, the result if that forums exist and continue to exist. For people who prefer to be alone with their cameras, it's also possible, they are not forced to read threads.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Douglas_of_Sweden Quote
Does certain glas demand the investment in the comming Pentax FF? Perehaps....but then my bank account is in trouble.
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In my view you could sell half of those lenses and still have enough lenses to spend for a lifetime, and you'd might have enough money to buy the FF Pentax. :-)
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Quantity, Quality, Price, Speed, Size, Weight, AF motor type all matter and at different amounts to each photographer.... but I have a more important question to ask -- Why do we even bother with these threads arguing, debating, and generally stating thoughts on the issue as if it matters? One person gives a rumor and then we have dozens of pages of hearsay about the hearsay. People arguing other people because their personalities clash.. their thoughts clash.. their surfaces clash. Everyone sticks to their guns and rehashes their view and, at the end of the thread whenever that is, nothing is gained beyond time wasted. Every thread in the News and Rumors thread thus becomes a proverbial Groundhog Day.. never finding the correct steps (or factual news) to break free from the endless cycle. It becomes a strange pattern of visiting these threads hoping to see actual news and constantly disappointed by seeing nothing that could be constituted as news...
Great thoughts. I suppose that this is kind a way to spend time. Sometimes great funny thoughts fishes from pile of baffle and before real news rises that is one thing to wait for.

I'd rather have real rumour, but untill then this will have to do.
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If there is one thing I don't tolerate is people complaining about people discussing on forums. I personally am enjoying this thread and can't wait for the new FF. keep those thoughts coming everyone. Great reads
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QuoteOriginally posted by mee Quote
Quantity, Quality, Price, Speed, Size, Weight, AF motor type all matter and at different amounts to each photographer.... but I have a more important question to ask -- Why do we even bother with these threads arguing, debating, and generally stating thoughts on the issue as if it matters? One person gives a rumor and then we have dozens of pages of hearsay about the hearsay. People arguing other people because their personalities clash.. their thoughts clash.. their surfaces clash. Everyone sticks to their guns and rehashes their view and, at the end of the thread whenever that is, nothing is gained beyond time wasted. Every thread in the News and Rumors thread thus becomes a proverbial Groundhog Day.. never finding the correct steps (or factual news) to break free from the endless cycle. It becomes a strange pattern of visiting these threads hoping to see actual news and constantly disappointed by seeing nothing that could be constituted as news...
Well, it is the internet and when there isn't news, there is a tendency to speculate endlessly and for weird rumors to pop up from nowhere.

I am actually not bothered, except in the fact that there is a tendency for coming cameras to be blown up bigger than they are, hopes arise for lower prices than they will be and in the end, when the camera is released (or cameras) there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth over the fact that it doesn't measure up to the rumors.
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Arrh why not, its still running free somewhere.

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The entry-level Pentax FF will be K-02...
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DFA XS lenses plz

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