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**monochrome** · 08-22-2015, 02:38 PM

This is not a meaningful thread.

There is no real way for any one of us to know from Ricoh's published reports what is actually happening financially within Ricoh Imaging at the corporate level, nor (perhaps more importantly) at the Regional Asia, EU and NA levels where the marketing decisions are made the the marketing money is allocated. We can't know inventory levels, nor (more importantly) changes in inventory levels; we can't know personnel and changes thereto; we can't know capital allocations, nor changes in capital allocations; and most importantly, we can't know plans.

For all of that, Accounting Earnings are just that - Accounting Earnings. They often have little resemblance to actual cash money earned over a Fiscal Year (witness the confusion in this thread around inventory write downs and the San-Ai business change in status)..

It appears Pentax cameras are selling better than they were and that at least Pentax USA is doing better than it was a couple years ago, but there's just no way to know for certain.

**NZ_Ross** · 08-22-2015, 02:42 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

This is not a meaningful thread.

Is any thread meaningful.....?

**RobA_Oz** · 08-23-2015, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by NZ_Ross

Is any thread meaningful.....?

Or anything, come to that, other than the meaning human beings attach to abstractions like finances. And we all do, the occasional confusion notwithstanding.

**monochrome** · 08-23-2015, 05:45 AM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

Or anything, come to that, other than the meaning human beings attach to abstractions like finances. And we all do, the occasional confusion notwithstanding.

Jeebus. All I was saying is we ought not argue about what we cannot know; just have faith in Ricoh - and everybody goes all Nietzche on me.

**RobA_Oz** · 08-23-2015, 05:48 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Jeebus. All I was saying is we ought not argue about what we cannot know; just have faith in Ricoh - and everybody goes all Nietzche on me.

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach yer…

You've got to love a good Python ditty to put it all into perspective.

Kunzite · 08-23-2015, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

This is not a meaningful thread.

I'm only responsible for the ideas expressed in the first post (and my posts which followed). That people posted "conclusions" contrary to the information provided, I can't control that

The thread had a meaning, briefly expressed in its title. I cannot offer hard data - one point I've made is that what we're seeing in those financial statements are quite useless - but I can transmit a bit of the (mild) optimism expressed by Mr. Daisuke Segawa. To make the waiting easier

(P.S. I don't accuse you for blaming me of anything)

lukulele · 08-23-2015, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by RobA_Oz

There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach yer…

You've got to love a good Python ditty to put it all into perspective.

Mr Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!'

Rupert · 08-23-2015, 01:30 PM - **1 Like**

I have greatly enjoyed Pentax being doomed, and hope no one spoils it! When I first bought my DS the salesman told me I would be buying the last Pentax model ever.....I figured it would be a collector item...but it wasn't ..it was a wonderful camera!

Then came the K10D and I got that, at the time everyone over on DPR was predicting the doom of Pentax, so I felt good to have the last Pentax for certain...and what a nice camera it was!

But damn it!

I was fooled again when the K20D came out and made liars out of those I had trusted. The K20D was so solid and dependable, I was certain Pentax would see no need in ever producing any newer model? But.....then came the K5 with all that high ISO ability and fooled me again!

I now shoot with a K5IIs and am afraid to upgrade in the near future, not because Pentax is doomed, but because they are going to fool me again by making me think they are. The thrill of "Pentax Doomed" just isn't what it used to be after all these years of failed dooming.

Regards!

Kunzite · 08-23-2015, 01:41 PM

Don't worry, Rupert - the FF will be the last Pentax ever made

(until the next model)

**monochrome** · 08-23-2015, 02:52 PM

When they printed Ricoh on the back of the K-3 some thought that Pentax was in the shadow of the Doom of Mordor.

**RobA_Oz** · 08-23-2015, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

When they printed Ricoh on the back of the K-3 some thought that Pentax was in the shadow of the Doom of Mordor.

...and we all know how that turned out.

**boriscleto** · 08-23-2015, 03:56 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

When they printed Ricoh on the back of the K-3 some thought that Pentax was in the shadow of the Doom of Mordor.

#1 reason I won't buy a FF...

No Ricoh on the back.

kooks · 08-23-2015, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

#1 reason I won't buy a FF...

No Ricoh on the back.

So.. Ricoh saved the company from HOYA.. developed some new technology.. and nobody can know that they are the ones behind the projects, actually they are the owners?? i dont get this kind of thiking.. YES, we all love the Pentax stamped in our cameras, but come one.. Ricoh in the back of a camera is a reason for NOT BUYING a FF K-mount camera?? Thats too much.

In my case i care about K-Mount, and how the product performs to deliver images, not if it says RICOH or not.

**clackers** · 08-23-2015, 06:28 PM

Originally posted by kooks

So.. Ricoh saved the company from HOYA.. developed some new technology.. and nobody can know that they are the ones behind the projects, actually they are the owners?? i dont get this kind of thiking.. YES, we all love the Pentax stamped in our cameras, but come one.. Ricoh in the back of a camera is a reason for NOT BUYING a FF K-mount camera?? Thats too much.

In my case i care about K-Mount, and how the product performs to deliver images, not if it says RICOH or not.

He's kidding. ☺

There's a whole thread mocking that attitude about the K-3.

**monochrome** · 08-23-2015, 07:08 PM

Originally posted by boriscleto

#1 reason I won't buy a FF...

No Ricoh on the back.

Originally posted by kooks

So.. Ricoh saved the company from HOYA.. developed some new technology.. and nobody can know that they are the ones behind the projects, actually they are the owners?? i dont get this kind of thiking.. YES, we all love the Pentax stamped in our cameras, but come one.. Ricoh in the back of a camera is a reason for NOT BUYING a FF K-mount camera?? Thats too much.

In my case i care about K-Mount, and how the product performs to deliver images, not if it says RICOH or not.

Yes.

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08-22-2015, 02:38 PM	#31
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	This is not a meaningful thread. There is no real way for any one of us to know from Ricoh's published reports what is actually happening financially within Ricoh Imaging at the corporate level, nor (perhaps more importantly) at the Regional Asia, EU and NA levels where the marketing decisions are made the the marketing money is allocated. We can't know inventory levels, nor (more importantly) changes in inventory levels; we can't know personnel and changes thereto; we can't know capital allocations, nor changes in capital allocations; and most importantly, we can't know plans. For all of that, Accounting Earnings are just that - Accounting Earnings. They often have little resemblance to actual cash money earned over a Fiscal Year (witness the confusion in this thread around inventory write downs and the San-Ai business change in status).. It appears Pentax cameras are selling better than they were and that at least Pentax USA is doing better than it was a couple years ago, but there's just no way to know for certain.

08-22-2015, 02:42 PM - 1 Like	#32
NZ_Ross Kiwi Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Timaru Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 4,225	Originally posted by monochrome This is not a meaningful thread. Is any thread meaningful.....?

08-23-2015, 03:34 AM	#33
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by NZ_Ross Is any thread meaningful.....? Or anything, come to that, other than the meaning human beings attach to abstractions like finances. And we all do, the occasional confusion notwithstanding.

08-23-2015, 05:45 AM	#34
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by RobA_Oz Or anything, come to that, other than the meaning human beings attach to abstractions like finances. And we all do, the occasional confusion notwithstanding. Jeebus. All I was saying is we ought not argue about what we cannot know; just have faith in Ricoh - and everybody goes all Nietzche on me.

08-23-2015, 05:48 AM	#35
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by monochrome Jeebus. All I was saying is we ought not argue about what we cannot know; just have faith in Ricoh - and everybody goes all Nietzche on me. There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach yer… You've got to love a good Python ditty to put it all into perspective.

08-23-2015, 12:43 PM	#36
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132 Original Poster	Originally posted by monochrome This is not a meaningful thread. I'm only responsible for the ideas expressed in the first post (and my posts which followed). That people posted "conclusions" contrary to the information provided, I can't control that The thread had a meaning, briefly expressed in its title. I cannot offer hard data - one point I've made is that what we're seeing in those financial statements are quite useless - but I can transmit a bit of the (mild) optimism expressed by Mr. Daisuke Segawa. To make the waiting easier (P.S. I don't accuse you for blaming me of anything)

08-23-2015, 01:16 PM	#37
lukulele Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Blue Ridge Escarpment, North Carolina, US Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 1,850	Originally posted by RobA_Oz There's nothing Nietzsche couldn't teach yer… You've got to love a good Python ditty to put it all into perspective. Mr Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!'

08-23-2015, 01:30 PM - 1 Like	#38
Rupert Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Texas Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 25,123	I have greatly enjoyed Pentax being doomed, and hope no one spoils it! When I first bought my DS the salesman told me I would be buying the last Pentax model ever.....I figured it would be a collector item...but it wasn't ..it was a wonderful camera! Then came the K10D and I got that, at the time everyone over on DPR was predicting the doom of Pentax, so I felt good to have the last Pentax for certain...and what a nice camera it was! But damn it! I was fooled again when the K20D came out and made liars out of those I had trusted. The K20D was so solid and dependable, I was certain Pentax would see no need in ever producing any newer model? But.....then came the K5 with all that high ISO ability and fooled me again! I now shoot with a K5IIs and am afraid to upgrade in the near future, not because Pentax is doomed, but because they are going to fool me again by making me think they are. The thrill of "Pentax Doomed" just isn't what it used to be after all these years of failed dooming. Regards!

08-23-2015, 01:41 PM	#39
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132 Original Poster	Don't worry, Rupert - the FF will be the last Pentax ever made (until the next model)

08-23-2015, 02:52 PM	#40
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	When they printed Ricoh on the back of the K-3 some thought that Pentax was in the shadow of the Doom of Mordor.

08-23-2015, 03:56 PM	#41
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,209	Originally posted by monochrome When they printed Ricoh on the back of the K-3 some thought that Pentax was in the shadow of the Doom of Mordor. ...and we all know how that turned out.

08-23-2015, 03:56 PM - 1 Like	#42
boriscleto Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North Syracuse, NY Photos: Gallery Posts: 16,477	Originally posted by monochrome When they printed Ricoh on the back of the K-3 some thought that Pentax was in the shadow of the Doom of Mordor. #1 reason I won't buy a FF... No Ricoh on the back.

08-23-2015, 05:44 PM	#43
kooks Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San José, Costa Rica Photos: Albums Posts: 794	Originally posted by boriscleto #1 reason I won't buy a FF... No Ricoh on the back. So.. Ricoh saved the company from HOYA.. developed some new technology.. and nobody can know that they are the ones behind the projects, actually they are the owners?? i dont get this kind of thiking.. YES, we all love the Pentax stamped in our cameras, but come one.. Ricoh in the back of a camera is a reason for NOT BUYING a FF K-mount camera?? Thats too much. In my case i care about K-Mount, and how the product performs to deliver images, not if it says RICOH or not.

08-23-2015, 06:28 PM	#44
clackers Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Melbourne Photos: Albums Posts: 16,397	Originally posted by kooks So.. Ricoh saved the company from HOYA.. developed some new technology.. and nobody can know that they are the ones behind the projects, actually they are the owners?? i dont get this kind of thiking.. YES, we all love the Pentax stamped in our cameras, but come one.. Ricoh in the back of a camera is a reason for NOT BUYING a FF K-mount camera?? Thats too much. In my case i care about K-Mount, and how the product performs to deliver images, not if it says RICOH or not. He's kidding. ☺ There's a whole thread mocking that attitude about the K-3.

08-23-2015, 07:08 PM	#45
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by boriscleto #1 reason I won't buy a FF... No Ricoh on the back. Originally posted by kooks So.. Ricoh saved the company from HOYA.. developed some new technology.. and nobody can know that they are the ones behind the projects, actually they are the owners?? i dont get this kind of thiking.. YES, we all love the Pentax stamped in our cameras, but come one.. Ricoh in the back of a camera is a reason for NOT BUYING a FF K-mount camera?? Thats too much. In my case i care about K-Mount, and how the product performs to deliver images, not if it says RICOH or not. Yes.

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