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08-30-2015, 12:17 AM   #151
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Would you buy one? I'd be afraid to use it, get some dirt on it, scratch it etc.

Also focusing a 50mm f1.2 accurately on FF can be very challenging, using autofocus or manual. Not sure if the borkeh would be worth the focussing challenges.
I know who could buy. Me? Yes...I could. Don't take too serious just a dream...

Scratсh resistant covering LOL
AF - with good LV system and system of Focus Peaking is not a problem for 1.2. A lot of users are using 1.2 lenses with LV and FP and they are happy. Not AF lenses.

I use my lenses very carefully.


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I had idea and dream..To attract new rich users for FF system. It would be very interesting if Ricoh produce DFA50/1.2 DC AW, but not simple "working horse", but masterpiece of optical art and engineering. Boke machine with 12-blades aperture! In natural wooden box with velvet inside. Limited Edition. Silver metal body.
100 pcs. per month with price 1500-2000 USD. The THING which could be left in the world history of photo gear. It could be also the flagship of Pentax FF system.

Exclusive and expensive.
Something like that?

08-30-2015, 12:47 AM   #153
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Ricoh will be forced to produce new 50 mm prime for new FF cameras. It's classical kit - FF + 50 mm lens.

DA50/1.8 and DA*55/1.4 could cover film, but it's not lenses which designed for new FF sensors. It's APS-C lenses.

FA50/1.4 has old construction which not changed from 1991 year. It's good, but not the best.

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Something like that?
Yes. With AF and 12-blades aperture ))

Maybe no need DC motor, but with screw-driver.
08-30-2015, 01:10 AM   #154
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ff = 35 mm camera

if you need NOW a ff camera buy a Pentax slr,
a Pentax mx for exemple, cheap lenses
low in weight simple to use.
may by a problem to buy 35 mm films

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Having an A50/1.2, I can say that I like the idea of an AF version, but I suspect that attracting rich dudes with an eye for the next big affirmation of their status will take more than a bright finish and f1.2. If you're not Leica, you need to offer bragging rights to the guy who swapped his Veyron for a Koenigsegg, because it wasn't fast enough. F1.0 is probably more like it for that crowd. Lots of light coming into a big bright FF viewfinder must make for easier focussing …
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QuoteOriginally posted by rawr Quote
Also focusing a 50mm f1.2 accurately on FF can be very challenging, using autofocus or manual. Not sure if the borkeh would be worth the focussing challenges.
Canon DSLRs have enough trouble with the 50 f/1.2L, the 50mm f/1.0L* is even worse, almost unusable with AF in low light. The wire focusing MF mechanism used on both lenses drive me nuts. If it is critical for me to use fast glass like that, I will use my Leica with the 50mm f/0.95 ASPH.

*yes this lens does exist, canon discontinued it years ago because there wasn't a big enough market to justify making it.
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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
I had idea and dream..To attract new rich users for FF system. It would be very interesting if Ricoh produce DFA50/1.2 DC AW, but not simple "working horse", but masterpiece of optical art and engineering. Boke machine with 12-blades aperture! In natural wooden box with velvet inside. Limited Edition. Silver metal body.
100 pcs. per month with price 1500-2000 USD. The THING which could be left in the world history of photo gear. It could be also the flagship of Pentax FF system.

Exclusive and expensive.
Double the price then maybe.
08-30-2015, 04:44 AM   #158
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Double the price then maybe.
Canon 50/1.2 is 1400USD. Weather resist and USM. 8-blades aperture.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It's classical kit - FF + 50 mm lens.
In the SLR age, yes. But for the past decade or so the classical kit sold with FF cameras has been a 24-105 and 24-70. They do need a 50 mm lens though, as you said.

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Maybe no need DC motor, but with screw-driver.
Nonono, no screw-drive. This technology is ancient, slow, loud and all other manufacturers have long retired it in favour of DC and SDM/USM motors, even in their cheapest lenses. Only we Pentaxians can still buy a modern zoom lens (HD DA 55-300 WR) that sounds like someone is renovating his house.
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Canon 50/1.2 is 1400USD. Weather resist and USM. 8-blades aperture.
Yes but not the way you want it: exclusive, numbered, limited, in beautiful box, blabla.
This is exactly, why it would cost an arm and a leg. You want a collectible? Pay then.
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Yes but not the way you want it: exclusive, numbered, limited, in beautiful box, blabla.
This is exactly, why it would cost an arm and a leg. You want a collectible? Pay then.
It's just fanstasy, dream. You are too serious and non-tolerant to my ideas.

If you don't like this idea, let another be - cheap screw-driver plastic DFA50/1.8 for 150 USD.



QuoteOriginally posted by FantasticMrFox Quote
In the SLR age, yes. But for the past decade or so the classical kit sold with FF cameras has been a 24-105 and 24-70. They do need a 50 mm lens though, as you said.



Nonono, no screw-drive. This technology is ancient, slow, loud and all other manufacturers have long retired it in favour of DC and SDM/USM motors, even in their cheapest lenses. Only we Pentaxians can still buy a modern zoom lens (HD DA 55-300 WR) that sounds like someone is renovating his house.
There is Nikon DF kit with new Nikon 50/1.8

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It's just fanstasy, dream. You are too serious and non-tolerant to my ideas.

If you don't like this idea, let another be - cheap screw-driver plastic DFA50/1.8 for 150 USD.

I actually like your idea. An exotic lens for somebody who want to collect it. Must be optically brilliant, built like a thank, and fast autofocus.
Pentax need to specialized themself again in prime lenses. What make Sony Alpha system so interesting ? It is zeiss lenses like batis.


QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
There is Nikon DF kit with new Nikon 50/1.8
Nikon DF is also very interesting camera. I didn't get attracted by Nikon and Canon Fullframe cameras, but Nikon Df.
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Kinda moving back into the 6th October count down discussion, if asahi man is right then read really what he is trying to say. "Will be full of frames". For me that sounds like more than one FF???.....
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Kinda moving back into the 6th October count down discussion, if asahi man is right then read really what he is trying to say. "Will be full of frames". For me that sounds like more than one FF???.....
It may be a dual announcement, high end FF and lower end FF, if that's what you mean.

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
It's just fanstasy, dream. You are too serious and non-tolerant to my ideas.

If you don't like this idea, let another be - cheap screw-driver plastic DFA50/1.8 for 150 USD.
No, you're way too much arrogant. You got the truth and anyone,not agreeing with you is intolerant.LOL.

Your idea is alright. I never botched your idea. The price is fantasy though. A pity, but is fantasy IMO.

Btw, always acting Calimero is really annoying if anything else. Can't be an adult for 30 seconds?
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I look at that chart, and I think the A7RII is a complete rip off. Because, my goal, like a lot of photogrpahers, is the absolute best image, period. Low light is a separate issue, and if I really want great low light, I'll pay for a 645z , A7s or D4s. Right tool for the job, and all that.

But what i want from my main camera is the ability to produce the absolute best image in the best situations. And the best image on the above chart is the D810 at 50 or 100 ISO.

Why, given a choice A7rII of Nikon D810, would I pick the Sony? No Sony image at any ƒstop if going to match the dynamic range of the D810 at 50 or 100 ISO. And since my most dramatic shots are sunsets and landscapes often with huge contrast variety, and need for details in both the highlights and the shadow, to me, the A7RII is simply an inferior camera. I'm hoping the Pentax will match the DR of the D810. The Sony is of no interest.

I'm not just speculating. I paid big bucks for my K-5, because the K-5 was stop better than my K20D. My wife was shooting K-5 , I was shooting k20d, and we shot a couple of sunsets where next to hers, my images were pretty much garbage. The K-3 has been a disappointment, in that it went backwards in DR, and though I love it for wildlife, I still own a K-5 for high DR situations. That is the camera I want an FF to replace. The high dynamic range, best image possible landscape camera. If I were buying today it would be for the D810, not the Sony, even though I'd have to buy all new glass.

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