Do we need a countdown to Oct 6th?

bxf · 08-27-2015, 04:17 PM - **4 Likes**

Originally posted by Wolfeye

If anyone believes the FF will be out this year I got a bridge to sell...

Please post photo and indicate location and dimensions of bridge. Thanks.

starjedi · 08-27-2015, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by normhead

Depends on what was wrong... a faster AF motor, requiring a bigger housing would be a complete redesign of the exterior, and retooling the equipment used to manufacture it. Redesigning lens elements would probably take even longer. Without knowing exactly what the issue was, it's hard to know whether or not they just tossed it and started over from scratch, or they had components they could work with. The only thing you can be sure of is they aren't going to hold it back to create suspense once they've got it.

If you look at the regard the Sigma, Tamron, Nikon, and Canon 70-200s have earned, this is a lens they have to get right. And as Pentax improves the AF system, this lens will have to be able to meet those standards, not just current ones. It's not good they didn't get it right the first time, but releasing a dud won't help.

I guess there is quality control issue in Vietnam manufacture factory so that they have to delay the release until the issue solved!

asahi man · 08-27-2015, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by starjedi

I guess there is quality control issue in Vietnam manufacturer so that they have to delay the release until the issue solved!

Nope,that's not the reason of delay.
Best regards

**monochrome** · 08-27-2015, 05:46 PM - **1 Like**

Dudes - New/improved AF algo's.

Sounds like we might be a couple weeks away from one of the best 70~200's ever - potentially another Pentax Milestone of the 200/4 Macro class.

Last edited by monochrome; 08-27-2015 at 06:01 PM.

Shanti · 08-27-2015, 06:43 PM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by monochrome

Dudes - New/improved AF algo's.

Sounds like we might be a couple weeks away from one of the best 70~200's ever - potentially another Pentax Milestone of the 200/4 Macro class.

The 70-200 will have WD(wedding dress) detection I imagine ,will tag make,date dress was made,if used before,how long marriage lasted etc... delay must b edo to some upcoming fashion show

**Rondec** · 08-28-2015, 03:01 AM

Originally posted by Wolfeye

If anyone believes the FF will be out this year I got a bridge to sell...

Seems like at a minimum we'll get an announcement with on official planned date of release. Whether that ends up bleeding into early next year is hard to say, but I would doubt it, if there is an announcement/end of embargo on non-disclosure at the beginning of October. Certainly the camera will be released within four to five weeks of the beginning of October.

**monochrome** · 08-28-2015, 04:52 AM

Recall the K-3 release. IIRC embargo ended late September, shipments started late October and I had mine December 15th.

Zygonyx · 08-28-2015, 05:19 AM

Originally posted by Rondec

Seems like at a minimum we'll get an announcement with on official planned date of release. Whether that ends up bleeding into early next year is hard to say, but I would doubt it, if there is an announcement/end of embargo on non-disclosure at the beginning of October. Certainly the camera will be released within four to five weeks of the beginning of October.

The thing that could well happen is that due to success of pre-orders, production could be insufficient at the start.
Hence priorisation of shipments, that could be discriminant btw sales areas.
In this case, we all know Japan would be priority n°1 ; then probably Asia/Europe/Americas in an unknown and suspens order.

FantasticMrFox · 08-28-2015, 05:52 AM - **1 Like**

Ricoh was already surprised by demand for the D FA 150-450, stating in one interview that they sold about twice as many as expected. It is possible that they learnt a lesson there and are trying to produce a larger-than-originally-planned stock of FFs before release. The same might have played a role in postponing the D FA* 70-200's release.

**RobA_Oz** · 08-28-2015, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by monochrome

Dudes - New/improved AF algo's.

Sounds like we might be a couple weeks away from one of the best 70~200's ever - potentially another Pentax Milestone of the 200/4 Macro class.

I saw that mentioned elsewhere, from testing, which I assume was on a K-3, but maybe that was wishful thinking on my part. If not, though, we could all be in for an AF upgrade, not just with the forthcoming body/bodies.

Wolfeye · 08-28-2015, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by normhead

Staking your rep on this are you? Cause I have to tell you, there's a lot of guys who have said stuff like this who didn't have the nerve to show their face again after they were wrong.

Yes indeed, I hearby stake my entire reputation as a Pentaxian on this statement. If I am wrong I will never again be trusted for deep, insightful comments about products from Pentax, Ricoh, or any other Oriental company. I still retain a claim to all knowledge of German (never had one) and American (do we make anything here?) cameras and am happy to give purchasing advice when requested.

normhead · 08-28-2015, 06:27 AM - **1 Like**

You sound like an honest guy... now about that bridge, how much are you asking?

gorme · 08-28-2015, 06:47 AM

The DxO Mark of Sony a7RII sensor is out

If this sensor is in the FF, it will be amazing !

rawr · 08-28-2015, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by gorme

If this sensor is in the FF, it will be amazing !

I'd say 'nice', not 'amazing'. Only 5-10% better than A7R or D810, max.

RonHendriks1966 · 08-28-2015, 07:26 AM

Originally posted by rawr

I'd say 'nice', not 'amazing'. Only 5-10% better than A7R or D810, max.

And who knows, maybe only 5-10% less then 645Z. ....... We will see that soon.

08-27-2015, 05:15 PM	#122
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by normhead Depends on what was wrong... a faster AF motor, requiring a bigger housing would be a complete redesign of the exterior, and retooling the equipment used to manufacture it. Redesigning lens elements would probably take even longer. Without knowing exactly what the issue was, it's hard to know whether or not they just tossed it and started over from scratch, or they had components they could work with. The only thing you can be sure of is they aren't going to hold it back to create suspense once they've got it. If you look at the regard the Sigma, Tamron, Nikon, and Canon 70-200s have earned, this is a lens they have to get right. And as Pentax improves the AF system, this lens will have to be able to meet those standards, not just current ones. It's not good they didn't get it right the first time, but releasing a dud won't help. I guess there is quality control issue in Vietnam manufacture factory so that they have to delay the release until the issue solved! Last edited by starjedi; 08-27-2015 at 05:21 PM.

08-28-2015, 05:19 AM	#128
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Originally posted by Rondec Seems like at a minimum we'll get an announcement with on official planned date of release. Whether that ends up bleeding into early next year is hard to say, but I would doubt it, if there is an announcement/end of embargo on non-disclosure at the beginning of October. Certainly the camera will be released within four to five weeks of the beginning of October. The thing that could well happen is that due to success of pre-orders, production could be insufficient at the start. Hence priorisation of shipments, that could be discriminant btw sales areas. In this case, we all know Japan would be priority n°1 ; then probably Asia/Europe/Americas in an unknown and suspens order. Last edited by Zygonyx; 08-28-2015 at 05:56 AM.

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08-27-2015, 04:17 PM - 4 Likes	#121
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by Wolfeye If anyone believes the FF will be out this year I got a bridge to sell... Please post photo and indicate location and dimensions of bridge. Thanks.

08-27-2015, 05:21 PM	#123
asahi man Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 324	Originally posted by starjedi I guess there is quality control issue in Vietnam manufacturer so that they have to delay the release until the issue solved! Nope,that's not the reason of delay. Best regards

08-27-2015, 05:46 PM - 1 Like	#124
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Dudes - New/improved AF algo's. Sounds like we might be a couple weeks away from one of the best 70~200's ever - potentially another Pentax Milestone of the 200/4 Macro class. Last edited by monochrome; 08-27-2015 at 06:01 PM.

08-27-2015, 06:43 PM - 1 Like	#125
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by monochrome Dudes - New/improved AF algo's. Sounds like we might be a couple weeks away from one of the best 70~200's ever - potentially another Pentax Milestone of the 200/4 Macro class. The 70-200 will have WD(wedding dress) detection I imagine ,will tag make,date dress was made,if used before,how long marriage lasted etc... delay must b edo to some upcoming fashion show

08-28-2015, 03:01 AM	#126
Rondec Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gladys, Virginia Photos: Gallery Posts: 27,653	Originally posted by Wolfeye If anyone believes the FF will be out this year I got a bridge to sell... Seems like at a minimum we'll get an announcement with on official planned date of release. Whether that ends up bleeding into early next year is hard to say, but I would doubt it, if there is an announcement/end of embargo on non-disclosure at the beginning of October. Certainly the camera will be released within four to five weeks of the beginning of October.

08-28-2015, 04:52 AM	#127
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Recall the K-3 release. IIRC embargo ended late September, shipments started late October and I had mine December 15th.

08-28-2015, 05:52 AM - 1 Like	#129
FantasticMrFox Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Munich Posts: 2,339	Ricoh was already surprised by demand for the D FA 150-450, stating in one interview that they sold about twice as many as expected. It is possible that they learnt a lesson there and are trying to produce a larger-than-originally-planned stock of FFs before release. The same might have played a role in postponing the D FA* 70-200's release.

08-28-2015, 06:08 AM	#130
RobA_Oz Site Supporter Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Tasmania, Australia Photos: Gallery Posts: 8,197	Originally posted by monochrome Dudes - New/improved AF algo's. Sounds like we might be a couple weeks away from one of the best 70~200's ever - potentially another Pentax Milestone of the 200/4 Macro class. I saw that mentioned elsewhere, from testing, which I assume was on a K-3, but maybe that was wishful thinking on my part. If not, though, we could all be in for an AF upgrade, not just with the forthcoming body/bodies.

08-28-2015, 06:21 AM	#131
Wolfeye Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Photos: Albums Posts: 782	Originally posted by normhead Staking your rep on this are you? Cause I have to tell you, there's a lot of guys who have said stuff like this who didn't have the nerve to show their face again after they were wrong. Yes indeed, I hearby stake my entire reputation as a Pentaxian on this statement. If I am wrong I will never again be trusted for deep, insightful comments about products from Pentax, Ricoh, or any other Oriental company. I still retain a claim to all knowledge of German (never had one) and American (do we make anything here?) cameras and am happy to give purchasing advice when requested.

08-28-2015, 06:27 AM - 1 Like	#132
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	You sound like an honest guy... now about that bridge, how much are you asking?

08-28-2015, 06:47 AM	#133
gorme Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Galway - Ireland Posts: 213	The DxO Mark of Sony a7RII sensor is out If this sensor is in the FF, it will be amazing !

08-28-2015, 07:20 AM	#134
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by gorme If this sensor is in the FF, it will be amazing ! I'd say 'nice', not 'amazing'. Only 5-10% better than A7R or D810, max.

08-28-2015, 07:26 AM	#135
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Originally posted by rawr I'd say 'nice', not 'amazing'. Only 5-10% better than A7R or D810, max. And who knows, maybe only 5-10% less then 645Z. ....... We will see that soon.