Do we need a countdown to Oct 6th?

D1N0 · 09-19-2015, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by Kunzite

I can think of 3 possible reasons for the delay:
- an unexpected problem - as you said - which needs more time to be solved properly
- changes deemed necessary in order to have a competitive product. Perhaps they figured out the competition will have 'something' well before the next Pentax FF. Perhaps they figured out they have a much better chance by implementing their own 'something', even if the price is a delay.
- there's no problem, there's no project change, it just takes longer than expected. It happens all the time.

sensor or processor availability could be the problem. I'm sure they have prototypes, but production delays could postpone the camera.

Kunzite · 09-19-2015, 11:07 AM

That would be either #1 - unexpected issues with the vendor which can't supply components in time - or #2 - changing a component for a new one, but which either require extra time to integrate (almost a given) or it's not available yet.

cfraz · 09-19-2015, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by D1N0

sensor or processor availability could be the problem. I'm sure they have prototypes, but production delays could postpone the camera.

Or the image processor/data pipeline hardware (more likely in my view). Performance of the Milbeaut M7 probably is not adequate for 36+ MP sensor and I don't think a faster one is available yet. And who knows about availability/cost since Fujitsu sold the Milbeaut line last March, iirc?

thibs · 09-19-2015, 02:37 PM

Or, as someone posted couple days ago, yield of 42Mp sony sensor is not high enough.

banep · 09-19-2015, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Parallax

Finally, somebody posted a link to a credible source.

Yeah those guys are great:

-Pentax full 1" frame confirmed CONFIRMED! Pentax to Release Full Frame Camera! | New Camera News
-Aleins ate all our full frame cameras SHOCKER! Aliens Eat Pentax Full Frame Cameras! | New Camera News
-Ricoh shows lump of plastic Ricoh Shows Lump of Plastic, Pentaxicans Overjoyed. | New Camera News

Not a Number · 09-20-2015, 07:29 AM

So the mysterious Asahi Man is saying (as planned all along) there will be press releases in October:

Re: October,the sixth: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Quote:

"May be it is spring for shipping, announcement with definitive specs in autumn (2015 )

jpgoube"

That's the plan.
First press release October.
Last information about this is from July.
Best regards

Re: Becoming too much of a joke ....: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review

Quote:

May be more next week.

There is a Information release for the pentaxians and in october more for public.

That´s still the plan.

Best regards

totsmuyco · 09-21-2015, 04:38 AM

Okay, let's count again. 15 days to go.

starjedi · 09-21-2015, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

Okay, let's count again. 15 days to go.

Go, Go, Go

**UncleVanya** · 09-21-2015, 05:35 AM

Originally posted by totsmuyco

Okay, let's count again. 15 days to go.

Lol ... A bit less exciting yo count down to a day that will merely clarify the exact dates and lens lineup rather than be the day that you can buy the ff of your dreams.

However why not. "15... Yes, 15 days to go, ha ha ha!" Said in my muppet "Count" voice.

Mattox · 09-21-2015, 06:54 AM

I am confused again

normhead · 09-21-2015, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Zygonyx

Problem for next count down : roman calendar puts spring btw march 20th and June 21th.
What date shall we keep.

Japanese we're never influenced by the Romans, and they don't pay a whole lot of attention to things Roman, ( unlike ourselves who basically are a modern extension of the Roman empire, we just moved the Capital to Washington instead of Rome). Someone posted that Japanese spring starts Feb.2

Kunzite · 09-21-2015, 07:12 AM - **1 Like**

In this case, I think it starts on 25 February

World premiere show CP+2016

rawr · 09-21-2015, 07:14 AM

Originally posted by Mattox

I am confused again

We are in the middle of a countdown to a countdown.

Countdown 1 runs to Oct 6. Then we begin Countdown 2, which will run to the FF 'debut day' in Spring, the exact date of which which may be revealed at the end of Countdown 1.

mecrox · 09-21-2015, 07:21 AM

I think you need an announcement of a countdown to an announcement announcing details of a countdown to another announcement which announcement will be about another announcement later. That should do it.

normhead · 09-21-2015, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by rawr

We are in the middle of a countdown to a countdown.

Countdown 1 runs to Oct 6. Then we begin Countdown 2, which will run to the FF 'debut day' in Spring, the exact date of which which may be revealed at the end of Countdown 1.

And then countdown 3 , the time from when the announcement is made, and the cameras are listed for sale on the websites, and the day they actually start shipping.

09-21-2015, 07:12 AM - 1 Like	#432
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	In this case, I think it starts on 25 February World premiere show CP+2016 Last edited by Kunzite; 09-21-2015 at 09:43 AM. Reason: wrong date

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09-19-2015, 10:57 AM	#421
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by Kunzite I can think of 3 possible reasons for the delay: - an unexpected problem - as you said - which needs more time to be solved properly - changes deemed necessary in order to have a competitive product. Perhaps they figured out the competition will have 'something' well before the next Pentax FF. Perhaps they figured out they have a much better chance by implementing their own 'something', even if the price is a delay. - there's no problem, there's no project change, it just takes longer than expected. It happens all the time. sensor or processor availability could be the problem. I'm sure they have prototypes, but production delays could postpone the camera.

09-19-2015, 11:07 AM	#422
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	That would be either #1 - unexpected issues with the vendor which can't supply components in time - or #2 - changing a component for a new one, but which either require extra time to integrate (almost a given) or it's not available yet.

09-19-2015, 01:46 PM	#423
cfraz Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Oregon, USA Posts: 521	Originally posted by D1N0 sensor or processor availability could be the problem. I'm sure they have prototypes, but production delays could postpone the camera. Or the image processor/data pipeline hardware (more likely in my view). Performance of the Milbeaut M7 probably is not adequate for 36+ MP sensor and I don't think a faster one is available yet. And who knows about availability/cost since Fujitsu sold the Milbeaut line last March, iirc?

09-19-2015, 02:37 PM	#424
thibs Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Belgium Photos: Albums Posts: 7,001	Or, as someone posted couple days ago, yield of 42Mp sony sensor is not high enough.

09-19-2015, 03:06 PM	#425
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by Parallax Finally, somebody posted a link to a credible source. Yeah those guys are great: -Pentax full 1" frame confirmed CONFIRMED! Pentax to Release Full Frame Camera! \| New Camera News -Aleins ate all our full frame cameras SHOCKER! Aliens Eat Pentax Full Frame Cameras! \| New Camera News -Ricoh shows lump of plastic Ricoh Shows Lump of Plastic, Pentaxicans Overjoyed. \| New Camera News

09-20-2015, 07:29 AM	#426
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	So the mysterious Asahi Man is saying (as planned all along) there will be press releases in October: Re: October,the sixth: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Quote: "May be it is spring for shipping, announcement with definitive specs in autumn (2015 ) jpgoube" That's the plan. First press release October. Last information about this is from July. Best regards Re: Becoming too much of a joke ....: Pentax SLR Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review Quote: May be more next week. There is a Information release for the pentaxians and in october more for public. That´s still the plan. Best regards

09-21-2015, 04:38 AM	#427
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	Okay, let's count again. 15 days to go.

09-21-2015, 05:33 AM	#428
starjedi Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: New Jersey Posts: 932 Original Poster	Originally posted by totsmuyco Okay, let's count again. 15 days to go. Go, Go, Go

09-21-2015, 05:35 AM	#429
UncleVanya Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2014 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 28,407	Originally posted by totsmuyco Okay, let's count again. 15 days to go. Lol ... A bit less exciting yo count down to a day that will merely clarify the exact dates and lens lineup rather than be the day that you can buy the ff of your dreams. However why not. "15... Yes, 15 days to go, ha ha ha!" Said in my muppet "Count" voice.

09-21-2015, 06:54 AM	#430
Mattox Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 292	I am confused again

09-21-2015, 07:01 AM	#431
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Zygonyx Problem for next count down : roman calendar puts spring btw march 20th and June 21th. What date shall we keep. Japanese we're never influenced by the Romans, and they don't pay a whole lot of attention to things Roman, ( unlike ourselves who basically are a modern extension of the Roman empire, we just moved the Capital to Washington instead of Rome). Someone posted that Japanese spring starts Feb.2

09-21-2015, 07:14 AM	#433
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Mattox I am confused again We are in the middle of a countdown to a countdown. Countdown 1 runs to Oct 6. Then we begin Countdown 2, which will run to the FF 'debut day' in Spring, the exact date of which which may be revealed at the end of Countdown 1.

09-21-2015, 07:21 AM	#434
mecrox Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Oxford, UK Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,375	I think you need an announcement of a countdown to an announcement announcing details of a countdown to another announcement which announcement will be about another announcement later. That should do it.

09-21-2015, 07:21 AM	#435
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by rawr We are in the middle of a countdown to a countdown. Countdown 1 runs to Oct 6. Then we begin Countdown 2, which will run to the FF 'debut day' in Spring, the exact date of which which may be revealed at the end of Countdown 1. And then countdown 3 , the time from when the announcement is made, and the cameras are listed for sale on the websites, and the day they actually start shipping.