HD D FA* 70-200mm f/2.8

Zygonyx · 12-01-2015, 03:20 AM

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Not cheap !

**Tom S.** · 12-01-2015, 03:26 AM

Originally posted by Wild Mark

Lol

Bid away chaps

Pentax D FA 70 200mm F 2 8 ED DC AW 21330 | eBay

a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new.

Buy a used preproduction lens with no warranty? Maybe if I was a fanatical collector. Make that a rich fanatical collector.

**andre-mz5** · 12-01-2015, 04:27 AM

I can't believe Pentax/Ricoh will not demand from the testers that those preproduction untis have to be returned to Pentax/Ricoh

bdery · 12-01-2015, 06:11 AM

Originally posted by jatrax

Aperture ring is also a "who cares" for me.

I wasn't saying "for me" specifically. The market clearly doesn't want aperture rings, otherwise they would still be there.

Originally posted by jatrax

Yep, forgot about that. That is why I bought the SMC 15mm

rounded aperture blades crippled the 15 and 21 in my opinion. The main reason I use the 21 is for nighttime photography, to get those wonderful starbursts.

zapp · 12-01-2015, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Wild Mark

Lol

Bid away chaps

Pentax D FA 70 200mm F 2 8 ED DC AW 21330 | eBay

a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new.

Either it is second hand or new.

If true this is the most unprofessional move by Ricoh/Pentax ever. they even lost control of lenses they have not yet released.

It also implies that 100% of all user of this lens are trying to sell after using ;-)

RonHendriks1966 · 12-01-2015, 12:02 PM

There are more lenses. This shop has it "in stock"

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T70TPQO?m=A24VA25EKW832Q&ref_=v_sp_detail_page

Kunzite · 12-01-2015, 01:07 PM

"May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say.

**manishved** · 12-01-2015, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

"May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say.

Or after Christmas of which year - 2016? 2017?

rawr · 12-01-2015, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Wild Mark

Lol

Bid away chaps

Pentax D FA 70 200mm F 2 8 ED DC AW 21330 | eBay

a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new.

That seller in Burbank California also has a 645 lens on sale, a Q and a DA35.
Hmmm. Is this [Pentax Ambassador] Alex Munoz?

Kunzite · 12-01-2015, 05:37 PM

I highly doubt that, as Alex Munoz would return borrowed prototypes to Ricoh (and he's a professional photographer, not an equipment seller).
IMHO the best case scenario (for the buyer) is: lens not available, would ship sometimes next year. Worst case scenario: no shipment, ever.

rawr · 12-01-2015, 05:40 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

he's a professional photographer, not an equipment seller

Look at his eBay feedback for past items sold - he's sold a lot of Pentax gear (including a 645D), plus pro lighting stuff ...

Kunzite · 12-01-2015, 05:44 PM

So what? There's no indication he's Alex Munoz, and Alex Munoz might not like the accusation that he's selling unreleased products.

rawr · 12-01-2015, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

the accusation that he's selling unreleased products.

Whoever he is, he's merely selling used test or review equipment. No doubt disposing of it on eBay would be within the terms under which the seller came upon such 'pre-release' equipment.

virusn3t · 12-01-2015, 07:15 PM

I have a question for the ambassador that maybe can read this.. You can sell the gear provided by Ricoh? I would think that the contract say "no" on any circunstances, but i dont have a contract with Ricoh or any other manufacturer, or say that after all test have been done you can dispose the equipment whatever form you want?

reh321 · 12-03-2015, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Kunzite

"May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say.

I'm not certain where the seller is located. I don't know what the rest of the world is like between Black Friday and Christmas, but the USA becomes a shipping / logistics nightmare during that time. I recently ordered a lens from B&H. As a member of United Parcel Service's "UPS My Choice" program, I registered the package with them, which causes them to send me an email every time there is a change in status (and I can "sign" on-line so I don't have to be at home when it actually arrives). They told me that it would arrive on Wednesday, then Wednesday morning I got an email from them telling me that it was still on a trailer in Indianapolis (3 driving hours from here) and would be late; this morning they told me that it would arrive sometime between 12:45 and 3:45, and according to their log, it actually arrived at 4:17. That was actually quite fast and efficient, but UPS has been working on building that kind of reputation. Some packages seem to disappear for the entire season. I can certainly understand why a merchant would isssue that kind of disclaimer at this time of year - don't sue us if it doesn't arrive in time for your Christmas celebration, because we don't have any control of that kind of thing at this time of year.

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Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,004	Staff note: This post may contain affiliate links, which means Pentax Forums may earn a small commission if a visitor clicks through and makes a purchase. If you would like to support the forum directly, you may also make a donation here. Not cheap !

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Tom S. Site Supporter Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Originally posted by Wild Mark Lol Bid away chaps Pentax D FA 70 200mm F 2 8 ED DC AW 21330 \| eBay a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new. Buy a used preproduction lens with no warranty? Maybe if I was a fanatical collector. Make that a rich fanatical collector.

12-01-2015, 04:27 AM	#123
andre-mz5 Site Supporter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Eindhoven Photos: Gallery Posts: 268	I can't believe Pentax/Ricoh will not demand from the testers that those preproduction untis have to be returned to Pentax/Ricoh

12-01-2015, 06:11 AM	#124
bdery Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Quebec city, Canada Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,073	Originally posted by jatrax Aperture ring is also a "who cares" for me. I wasn't saying "for me" specifically. The market clearly doesn't want aperture rings, otherwise they would still be there. Originally posted by jatrax Yep, forgot about that. That is why I bought the SMC 15mm rounded aperture blades crippled the 15 and 21 in my opinion. The main reason I use the 21 is for nighttime photography, to get those wonderful starbursts.

12-01-2015, 11:17 AM	#125
zapp Pentaxian Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,153	Originally posted by Wild Mark Lol Bid away chaps Pentax D FA 70 200mm F 2 8 ED DC AW 21330 \| eBay a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new. Either it is second hand or new. If true this is the most unprofessional move by Ricoh/Pentax ever. they even lost control of lenses they have not yet released. It also implies that 100% of all user of this lens are trying to sell after using ;-)

12-01-2015, 12:02 PM	#126
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	There are more lenses. This shop has it "in stock" http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T70TPQO?m=A24VA25EKW832Q&ref_=v_sp_detail_page

12-01-2015, 01:07 PM	#127
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,100	"May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say.

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manishved Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: N. Calif Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,372	Originally posted by Kunzite "May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say. Or after Christmas of which year - 2016? 2017?

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rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Wild Mark Lol Bid away chaps Pentax D FA 70 200mm F 2 8 ED DC AW 21330 \| eBay a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new. That seller in Burbank California also has a 645 lens on sale, a Q and a DA35. Hmmm. Is this [Pentax Ambassador] Alex Munoz?

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Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,100	I highly doubt that, as Alex Munoz would return borrowed prototypes to Ricoh (and he's a professional photographer, not an equipment seller). IMHO the best case scenario (for the buyer) is: lens not available, would ship sometimes next year. Worst case scenario: no shipment, ever.

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12-01-2015, 05:40 PM	#131
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Kunzite he's a professional photographer, not an equipment seller Look at his eBay feedback for past items sold - he's sold a lot of Pentax gear (including a 645D), plus pro lighting stuff ...

12-01-2015, 05:44 PM	#132
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,100	So what? There's no indication he's Alex Munoz, and Alex Munoz might not like the accusation that he's selling unreleased products.

12-01-2015, 06:17 PM	#133
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Kunzite the accusation that he's selling unreleased products. Whoever he is, he's merely selling used test or review equipment. No doubt disposing of it on eBay would be within the terms under which the seller came upon such 'pre-release' equipment.

12-01-2015, 07:15 PM	#134
virusn3t Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 676	I have a question for the ambassador that maybe can read this.. You can sell the gear provided by Ricoh? I would think that the contract say "no" on any circunstances, but i dont have a contract with Ricoh or any other manufacturer, or say that after all test have been done you can dispose the equipment whatever form you want?

12-03-2015, 02:46 PM	#135
reh321 Pentaxian Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: South Bend, IN, USA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 22,146	Originally posted by Kunzite "May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say. I'm not certain where the seller is located. I don't know what the rest of the world is like between Black Friday and Christmas, but the USA becomes a shipping / logistics nightmare during that time. I recently ordered a lens from B&H. As a member of United Parcel Service's "UPS My Choice" program, I registered the package with them, which causes them to send me an email every time there is a change in status (and I can "sign" on-line so I don't have to be at home when it actually arrives). They told me that it would arrive on Wednesday, then Wednesday morning I got an email from them telling me that it was still on a trailer in Indianapolis (3 driving hours from here) and would be late; this morning they told me that it would arrive sometime between 12:45 and 3:45, and according to their log, it actually arrived at 4:17. That was actually quite fast and efficient, but UPS has been working on building that kind of reputation. Some packages seem to disappear for the entire season. I can certainly understand why a merchant would isssue that kind of disclaimer at this time of year - don't sue us if it doesn't arrive in time for your Christmas celebration, because we don't have any control of that kind of thing at this time of year.