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12-01-2015, 03:20 AM   #121
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Not cheap !

12-01-2015, 03:26 AM   #122
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wild Mark Quote
Lol

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a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new.
Buy a used preproduction lens with no warranty? Maybe if I was a fanatical collector. Make that a rich fanatical collector.
12-01-2015, 04:27 AM   #123
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I can't believe Pentax/Ricoh will not demand from the testers that those preproduction untis have to be returned to Pentax/Ricoh
12-01-2015, 06:11 AM   #124
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
Aperture ring is also a "who cares" for me.
I wasn't saying "for me" specifically. The market clearly doesn't want aperture rings, otherwise they would still be there.

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Yep, forgot about that. That is why I bought the SMC 15mm
rounded aperture blades crippled the 15 and 21 in my opinion. The main reason I use the 21 is for nighttime photography, to get those wonderful starbursts.

12-01-2015, 11:17 AM   #125
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wild Mark Quote
Lol

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a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new.
Either it is second hand or new.

If true this is the most unprofessional move by Ricoh/Pentax ever. they even lost control of lenses they have not yet released.

It also implies that 100% of all user of this lens are trying to sell after using ;-)
12-01-2015, 12:02 PM   #126
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There are more lenses. This shop has it "in stock"


http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00T70TPQO?m=A24VA25EKW832Q&ref_=v_sp_detail_page
12-01-2015, 01:07 PM   #127
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"May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Kunzite Quote
"May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say.
Or after Christmas of which year - 2016? 2017?

12-01-2015, 05:24 PM   #129
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QuoteOriginally posted by Wild Mark Quote
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a second hand (preproduction) copy is available before it can be bought new.
That seller in Burbank California also has a 645 lens on sale, a Q and a DA35.
Hmmm. Is this [Pentax Ambassador] Alex Munoz?
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I highly doubt that, as Alex Munoz would return borrowed prototypes to Ricoh (and he's a professional photographer, not an equipment seller).
IMHO the best case scenario (for the buyer) is: lens not available, would ship sometimes next year. Worst case scenario: no shipment, ever.
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he's a professional photographer, not an equipment seller
Look at his eBay feedback for past items sold - he's sold a lot of Pentax gear (including a 645D), plus pro lighting stuff ...
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So what? There's no indication he's Alex Munoz, and Alex Munoz might not like the accusation that he's selling unreleased products.
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the accusation that he's selling unreleased products.
Whoever he is, he's merely selling used test or review equipment. No doubt disposing of it on eBay would be within the terms under which the seller came upon such 'pre-release' equipment.
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I have a question for the ambassador that maybe can read this.. You can sell the gear provided by Ricoh? I would think that the contract say "no" on any circunstances, but i dont have a contract with Ricoh or any other manufacturer, or say that after all test have been done you can dispose the equipment whatever form you want?
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"May arrive after Christmas". How many months after Christmas, they don't say.
I'm not certain where the seller is located. I don't know what the rest of the world is like between Black Friday and Christmas, but the USA becomes a shipping / logistics nightmare during that time. I recently ordered a lens from B&H. As a member of United Parcel Service's "UPS My Choice" program, I registered the package with them, which causes them to send me an email every time there is a change in status (and I can "sign" on-line so I don't have to be at home when it actually arrives). They told me that it would arrive on Wednesday, then Wednesday morning I got an email from them telling me that it was still on a trailer in Indianapolis (3 driving hours from here) and would be late; this morning they told me that it would arrive sometime between 12:45 and 3:45, and according to their log, it actually arrived at 4:17. That was actually quite fast and efficient, but UPS has been working on building that kind of reputation. Some packages seem to disappear for the entire season. I can certainly understand why a merchant would isssue that kind of disclaimer at this time of year - don't sue us if it doesn't arrive in time for your Christmas celebration, because we don't have any control of that kind of thing at this time of year.
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