Pentax FF spring 2016

kenspo · 10-07-2015, 06:44 AM - **3 Likes**

I know the specs, but if i share now, they will come from Japan to hunt me down!!! lol

Zygonyx · 10-07-2015, 06:57 AM

Happy to read you again Ken

gazonk · 10-07-2015, 07:06 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Spoke to Pentax today. It is the callback of all the K-3 II's that is the reason for the delay. The production line can't handle both the callback and the production of the FF. The FF is ready and specs are finished. Will start production as soon as the K-3 II issue is fixed.

Oh, that's really a pity :-(

As a K-5 using ignorant, I haven't heard about the K-3 II issue until now. What is it?

redcat · 10-07-2015, 07:18 AM

Originally posted by gazonk

As a K-5 using ignorant, I haven't heard about the K-3 II issue until now. What is it?

"Ricoh offers fix for Pentax K3 II power-off problem" <= maybe this one

what a pity

H. Sapiens · 10-07-2015, 07:36 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

If they have to fix the problem in the assembly plant they probably have to replace the circuit board.

That is as close to making a new one from scratch as it gets, I suppose ... Expensive! Is it all K3ii which are affected or only first batch or something?

gazonk · 10-07-2015, 07:40 AM

Originally posted by H. Sapiens

That is as close to making a new one from scratch as it gets, I suppose ... Expensive! Is it all K3ii which are affected or only first batch or something?

Aha. Only certain ranges of serial numbers, it seems:

Ricoh offers fix for Pentax K3 II power-off problem

Nass · 10-07-2015, 08:03 AM

Post #165 of this thread:

Originally posted by Nass

Maybe the delay is K-3II related too. As in, the launch of that was a bit of a disaster and they had a mass recall. So the Pentax team had to spend extra months sorting that out. Which pushed back the FF by those extra months?

... just saying

Newtophotos · 10-07-2015, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Spoke to Pentax today. It is the callback of all the K-3 II's that is the reason for the delay. The production line can't handle both the callback and the production of the FF. The FF is ready and specs are finished. Will start production as soon as the K-3 II issue is fixed.

If the K-3 II problem is solved early could we see the FF coming before February?

Maybe they should release the specs before Christmas so folks don't use the holiday spirit and splurge on other competing FF systems?

Not a Number · 10-07-2015, 08:09 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

I know the specs, but if i share now, they will come from Japan to hunt me down!!! lol

Some guy with lots of tattoos will cut your pinkie finger off.

bxf · 10-07-2015, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by Nass

Post #165 of this thread:

... just saying

Good call!

Tom S. · 10-07-2015, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

Spoke to Pentax today. It is the callback of all the K-3 II's that is the reason for the delay. The production line can't handle both the callback and the production of the FF. The FF is ready and specs are finished. Will start production as soon as the K-3 II issue is fixed.

Numbers aren't computing here. According to what I've seen posted, the recall only affected the first two months of production units. Adding two months to the production schedule doesn't take us out of this year, let alone next spring.

Lightograph · 10-07-2015, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by kenspo

I know the specs, but if i share now, they will come from Japan to hunt me down!!! lol

May be you can send a PM

normhead · 10-07-2015, 08:33 AM

Originally posted by Tom S.

Numbers aren't computing here. According to what I've seen posted, the recall only affected the first two months of production units. Adding two months to the production schedule doesn't take us out of this year, let alone next spring.

They never tell you everything... but if that's what they feel is relevant, I'm happy going with that. After all, a partial explanation is better than none. No matter what they give people, they always want more..

Blue · 10-07-2015, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by stevebrot

Well, I guess we are only a few weeks short of the project cancellation notice, assuming history repeats itself.

FWIW, I remember the original 2000 announcement and also the speculation in the photo press that continued until the *ist D released.

Steve

So do I.

For some reason, this is what I envision the upper management team looking like.

Nicolas06 · 10-07-2015, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by Tom S.

Numbers aren't computing here. According to what I've seen posted, the recall only affected the first two months of production units. Adding two months to the production schedule doesn't take us out of this year, let alone next spring.

Are you sure they didn't have started a new batch they couldn't delay?
Did you take into account the time lost to reconfigure the line?
Are you sure that you need the same time to do a normal assembly or to manage a recall? Maybe the line is not optimized for that and it take more time?
Are we sure that it is worth to deliver as soon as possible if Ricoh can't target Christmass period ? The lowest sales are typically between january and march and it is when you get the most rebate because shops are trying to get rid of the unsold stock from Chrismass and people actual got their new toy just before. Maybe shops are not that willing to get more stock in such period and maybe having more money out for a longer period is a bad choice.

To me just because we have seen somewhere that apparently only the 2 first months of production is affected doesn't justify the wait is an over simplification that could indeed be true or completely wrong.

As if Ricoj said it all, for me they should not. We already prooved we are not mature enough for that. To me they should provide the minimum information to have us child stay more or less silent.

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10-07-2015, 06:44 AM - 3 Likes	#841
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	I know the specs, but if i share now, they will come from Japan to hunt me down!!! lol

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Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,032	Happy to read you again Ken

10-07-2015, 07:06 AM	#843
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by kenspo Spoke to Pentax today. It is the callback of all the K-3 II's that is the reason for the delay. The production line can't handle both the callback and the production of the FF. The FF is ready and specs are finished. Will start production as soon as the K-3 II issue is fixed. Oh, that's really a pity :-( As a K-5 using ignorant, I haven't heard about the K-3 II issue until now. What is it?

10-07-2015, 07:18 AM	#844
redcat Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Paris Photos: Gallery Posts: 1,939	Originally posted by gazonk As a K-5 using ignorant, I haven't heard about the K-3 II issue until now. What is it? "Ricoh offers fix for Pentax K3 II power-off problem" <= maybe this one what a pity

10-07-2015, 07:36 AM	#845
H. Sapiens Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 327	Originally posted by D1N0 If they have to fix the problem in the assembly plant they probably have to replace the circuit board. That is as close to making a new one from scratch as it gets, I suppose ... Expensive! Is it all K3ii which are affected or only first batch or something?

10-07-2015, 07:40 AM	#846
gazonk Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Oslo area, Norway Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 3,746	Originally posted by H. Sapiens That is as close to making a new one from scratch as it gets, I suppose ... Expensive! Is it all K3ii which are affected or only first batch or something? Aha. Only certain ranges of serial numbers, it seems: Ricoh offers fix for Pentax K3 II power-off problem

10-07-2015, 08:03 AM	#847
Nass Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The British Isles Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,402	Post #165 of this thread: Originally posted by Nass Maybe the delay is K-3II related too. As in, the launch of that was a bit of a disaster and they had a mass recall. So the Pentax team had to spend extra months sorting that out. Which pushed back the FF by those extra months? ... just saying

10-07-2015, 08:07 AM	#848
Newtophotos Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 439	Originally posted by kenspo Spoke to Pentax today. It is the callback of all the K-3 II's that is the reason for the delay. The production line can't handle both the callback and the production of the FF. The FF is ready and specs are finished. Will start production as soon as the K-3 II issue is fixed. If the K-3 II problem is solved early could we see the FF coming before February? Maybe they should release the specs before Christmas so folks don't use the holiday spirit and splurge on other competing FF systems?

10-07-2015, 08:09 AM	#849
Not a Number Moderator Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Venice, CA Posts: 10,526	Originally posted by kenspo I know the specs, but if i share now, they will come from Japan to hunt me down!!! lol Some guy with lots of tattoos will cut your pinkie finger off.

10-07-2015, 08:14 AM	#850
bxf Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Lisbon area Posts: 1,660	Originally posted by Nass Post #165 of this thread: ... just saying Good call!

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10-07-2015, 08:15 AM	#851
Tom S. Veteran Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: S.E. Michigan Photos: Albums Posts: 4,317	Originally posted by kenspo Spoke to Pentax today. It is the callback of all the K-3 II's that is the reason for the delay. The production line can't handle both the callback and the production of the FF. The FF is ready and specs are finished. Will start production as soon as the K-3 II issue is fixed. Numbers aren't computing here. According to what I've seen posted, the recall only affected the first two months of production units. Adding two months to the production schedule doesn't take us out of this year, let alone next spring.

10-07-2015, 08:28 AM	#852
Lightograph Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Herndon VA Posts: 34	Originally posted by kenspo I know the specs, but if i share now, they will come from Japan to hunt me down!!! lol May be you can send a PM

10-07-2015, 08:33 AM	#853
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Originally posted by Tom S. Numbers aren't computing here. According to what I've seen posted, the recall only affected the first two months of production units. Adding two months to the production schedule doesn't take us out of this year, let alone next spring. They never tell you everything... but if that's what they feel is relevant, I'm happy going with that. After all, a partial explanation is better than none. No matter what they give people, they always want more..

10-07-2015, 09:04 AM	#854
Blue Moderator Site Supporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Florida Hill Country Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 17,377	Originally posted by stevebrot Well, I guess we are only a few weeks short of the project cancellation notice, assuming history repeats itself. FWIW, I remember the original 2000 announcement and also the speculation in the photo press that continued until the *ist D released. Steve So do I. For some reason, this is what I envision the upper management team looking like.

10-07-2015, 10:00 AM	#855
Nicolas06 Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 4,854	Originally posted by Tom S. Numbers aren't computing here. According to what I've seen posted, the recall only affected the first two months of production units. Adding two months to the production schedule doesn't take us out of this year, let alone next spring. Are you sure they didn't have started a new batch they couldn't delay? Did you take into account the time lost to reconfigure the line? Are you sure that you need the same time to do a normal assembly or to manage a recall? Maybe the line is not optimized for that and it take more time? Are we sure that it is worth to deliver as soon as possible if Ricoh can't target Christmass period ? The lowest sales are typically between january and march and it is when you get the most rebate because shops are trying to get rid of the unsold stock from Chrismass and people actual got their new toy just before. Maybe shops are not that willing to get more stock in such period and maybe having more money out for a longer period is a bad choice. To me just because we have seen somewhere that apparently only the 2 first months of production is affected doesn't justify the wait is an over simplification that could indeed be true or completely wrong. As if Ricoj said it all, for me they should not. We already prooved we are not mature enough for that. To me they should provide the minimum information to have us child stay more or less silent.