Pentax FF spring 2016

Krizu · 09-17-2015, 11:45 PM

Pffft, nobody needs this FF to make his/her daily income but kenspo. He's the one who should be pissed, but he still has his K3iis to survive the winter :P

and I am still hoping for more detailed info to surface starting from oct. 6th to keep the hypetrain running

Mistral75 · 09-18-2015, 12:03 AM

Rendez-vous at Photokina 2016*

(*) or later

[/sarc]

biz-engineer · 09-18-2015, 12:14 AM - **1 Like**

The advantage is that you going to have a Pentax FF that's on top of the game, hopefully not with legacy 24Mp or 36Mpx of the aging D800. With a Pentax FF life time of about 5 years, so, just think about it. For me, if you have to spend $2500 or $3000 on a camera body that's going to be obsolete after one year, forget about it. I'd much prefer a FF body that can well perform for 5 years or more.

rawr · 09-18-2015, 12:16 AM - **1 Like**

Originally posted by Zygonyx

this is more than unfortunate, that's a deadly news

Maybe not deadly, but certainly not a recipe for success.

Ricoh just can't seem to get it's act together on the FF. Or lenses recently. Or firmware. A very disorganised company.

biz-engineer · 09-18-2015, 12:23 AM

Originally posted by rawr

Maybe not deadly, but certainly not a recipe for success. Ricoh just can't seem to get it's act together on the FF. Or lenses recently. Or firmware. A very disorganised company.

Arrhhh you say this because you are disappointed. And you are disappointed because the expectations were pumped up to maximum level by Ricoh's half promises and per-announcement too early and lot of self teasing by the discussions on the forums.
The reality is that Ricoh released a K-3 when they should have been working on a FF in order to be just in time to enter the market, but they started FF development one product cycle too late, so now they are in catch-up mode.

rawr · 09-18-2015, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

so now they are in catch-up mode

One hopes. That would be a reasonable expectation.
But with Ricoh it seems just as likely that, after all sorts of excuses and rationalisations, 2017 will turn out to be the nominated launch window, and in the end they might just give up.

RonHendriks1966 · 09-18-2015, 12:39 AM

Well this is no surprise to me. They had nothing and I still think don't have the tool to make shake reduction work for the bigger and heavier sensor module. Maybe Sony wouldn't sell it to the little Pentax.

Is this the start of the end? I don't know, but I sold almost all my Pentax gear 3 months ago.

ogl · 09-18-2015, 12:51 AM

Body lines will be clearer and brighter every month during next 5 months.

))) Enjoy waiting.

Nass · 09-18-2015, 12:53 AM

Sure, this will be disappointing to folks expecting to see it this fall. But I think maybe it's worth seeing this in context from the company's point of view. For Pentax this has to be a flawless product release, with every feature tested and working perfectly. Gossip seems to be about this targeting the professional market, so they just can't afford to slip up.

But the previous high end camera release, the K-3II, was a complete disaster and thousands and thousands of cameras had to be recalled, worldwide. The worst release I've seen in 5 years, maybe from any major brand? That just isn't good enough if they're targeting professionals. Clearly the QC operation back at Pentax needs a bit more work, and improvement. I for one sincerely hope that by giving themselves a few more months it gives Pentax some more time to get this product properly tested, rather than whatever happened with K-3II.

Mistral75 · 09-18-2015, 12:53 AM

To kill time while waiting:

RonHendriks1966 · 09-18-2015, 12:56 AM

Didn't they stopped using the PENTAX.COM site?

Maybe they stopped paying for it and some Russian grabbel it just for fun........ Is that possible Ogl?

Foxbat · 09-18-2015, 12:58 AM

From similar thread on another forum:

Originally posted by asahi man:

Anybody missed the manually aperture simulator?

Huh?

grispie · 09-18-2015, 01:05 AM

Originally posted by biz-engineer

The advantage is that you going to have a Pentax FF that's on top of the game, hopefully not with legacy 24Mp or 36Mpx of the aging D800. With a Pentax FF life time of about 5 years, so, just think about it. For me, if you have to spend $2500 or $3000 on a camera body that's going to be obsolete after one year, forget about it. I'd much prefer a FF body that can well perform for 5 years or more.

then one can always wait for the latest sensor...
But i think some people that maybe keen on a D750 or similar might jump ship now.

**fs999** · 09-18-2015, 01:09 AM

The delay is because they need to build more DFA 50mm and 85mm F1.2 DC WR !

kenspo · 09-18-2015, 01:09 AM

Pentax answer on the question around being behind schedule:

"No, we are on schedule. But we have decided to enrich some functions and specifications furthermore to satisfy our customers.
We are expecting different launching schedule from previous announcement considering the time we need to develop."

09-18-2015, 01:09 AM	#59
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09-17-2015, 11:45 PM	#46
Krizu Inactive Account Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Munich Posts: 22	Pffft, nobody needs this FF to make his/her daily income but kenspo. He's the one who should be pissed, but he still has his K3iis to survive the winter :P and I am still hoping for more detailed info to surface starting from oct. 6th to keep the hypetrain running

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,525	Rendez-vous at Photokina 2016* () or later* [/sarc]

09-18-2015, 12:14 AM - 1 Like	#48
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,222	The advantage is that you going to have a Pentax FF that's on top of the game, hopefully not with legacy 24Mp or 36Mpx of the aging D800. With a Pentax FF life time of about 5 years, so, just think about it. For me, if you have to spend $2500 or $3000 on a camera body that's going to be obsolete after one year, forget about it. I'd much prefer a FF body that can well perform for 5 years or more.

09-18-2015, 12:16 AM - 1 Like	#49
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by Zygonyx this is more than unfortunate, that's a deadly news Maybe not deadly, but certainly not a recipe for success. Ricoh just can't seem to get it's act together on the FF. Or lenses recently. Or firmware. A very disorganised company.

09-18-2015, 12:23 AM	#50
biz-engineer Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2015 Photos: Gallery Posts: 12,222	Originally posted by rawr Maybe not deadly, but certainly not a recipe for success. Ricoh just can't seem to get it's act together on the FF. Or lenses recently. Or firmware. A very disorganised company. Arrhhh you say this because you are disappointed. And you are disappointed because the expectations were pumped up to maximum level by Ricoh's half promises and per-announcement too early and lot of self teasing by the discussions on the forums. The reality is that Ricoh released a K-3 when they should have been working on a FF in order to be just in time to enter the market, but they started FF development one product cycle too late, so now they are in catch-up mode.

09-18-2015, 12:32 AM	#51
rawr Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 11,913	Originally posted by biz-engineer so now they are in catch-up mode One hopes. That would be a reasonable expectation. But with Ricoh it seems just as likely that, after all sorts of excuses and rationalisations, 2017 will turn out to be the nominated launch window, and in the end they might just give up.

09-18-2015, 12:39 AM	#52
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Well this is no surprise to me. They had nothing and I still think don't have the tool to make shake reduction work for the bigger and heavier sensor module. Maybe Sony wouldn't sell it to the little Pentax. Is this the start of the end? I don't know, but I sold almost all my Pentax gear 3 months ago.

09-18-2015, 12:51 AM	#53
ogl Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Sankt Peterburg Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 8,382	Body lines will be clearer and brighter every month during next 5 months. ))) Enjoy waiting.

09-18-2015, 12:53 AM	#54
Nass Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The British Isles Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,402	Sure, this will be disappointing to folks expecting to see it this fall. But I think maybe it's worth seeing this in context from the company's point of view. For Pentax this has to be a flawless product release, with every feature tested and working perfectly. Gossip seems to be about this targeting the professional market, so they just can't afford to slip up. But the previous high end camera release, the K-3II, was a complete disaster and thousands and thousands of cameras had to be recalled, worldwide. The worst release I've seen in 5 years, maybe from any major brand? That just isn't good enough if they're targeting professionals. Clearly the QC operation back at Pentax needs a bit more work, and improvement. I for one sincerely hope that by giving themselves a few more months it gives Pentax some more time to get this product properly tested, rather than whatever happened with K-3II.

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Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,525	To kill time while waiting:

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09-18-2015, 12:56 AM	#56
RonHendriks1966 Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Photos: Gallery Posts: 9,675	Didn't they stopped using the PENTAX.COM site? Maybe they stopped paying for it and some Russian grabbel it just for fun........ Is that possible Ogl?

09-18-2015, 12:58 AM	#57
Foxbat Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 66	From similar thread on another forum: Originally posted by asahi man: Anybody missed the manually aperture simulator? Huh?

09-18-2015, 01:05 AM	#58
grispie Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,199	Originally posted by biz-engineer The advantage is that you going to have a Pentax FF that's on top of the game, hopefully not with legacy 24Mp or 36Mpx of the aging D800. With a Pentax FF life time of about 5 years, so, just think about it. For me, if you have to spend $2500 or $3000 on a camera body that's going to be obsolete after one year, forget about it. I'd much prefer a FF body that can well perform for 5 years or more. then one can always wait for the latest sensor... But i think some people that maybe keen on a D750 or similar might jump ship now.

09-18-2015, 01:09 AM	#60
kenspo Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Oslo Posts: 2,207	Pentax answer on the question around being behind schedule: "No, we are on schedule. But we have decided to enrich some functions and specifications furthermore to satisfy our customers. We are expecting different launching schedule from previous announcement considering the time we need to develop."