Pentax FF spring 2016

btnapa · 09-18-2015, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by cfraz

Well, duh! It's obvious *now* that Ricoh's plan all along was simply to piss you off. But who knew way back when they bought Pentax?

If I had known then, I would have called Ricoh and worked out a deal to guarantee that I piss you off (and btw, what an incredibly inane phase that is) 1000 times better than Ricoh have done for tons less money.

Ricoh could have saved themselves $100M and I'd be set for life! Missed my big chance.

Yeh. Don't fall sleep behind the wheel next time so you don't miss your chance. Aside from the fact that it is dangerous.

derekkite · 09-18-2015, 06:14 PM

Welcome to the brutal world of internet sales and marketing.

Nikon delayed the release of a lens this year by 6-8 months, the 300 f4 with the new lens tech. Canon delayed their 100-400 v2 or whatever it was called for that long. The end results were very nice, they needed a bit of time to sort out stuff. Obviously both companies are about to go out of business, lens sales and manufacturing spun off.

A k3 shutter flutter, k3ii off button, 150-450 zoom seize. I suspect they could see a chart of sales going down when these issues became known, and then as they were sorted out the sales maybe going up, maybe not.

Get it right, make it reliable. I'll wait.

stevebrot · 09-18-2015, 06:40 PM

Originally posted by LaurenOE

For my K3, how about...

1080p/60
1080p clean HDMI out.
Tweak the bit rate a bit.

Those three could get me to the spring.
Give us SOMETHING.

You forgot USB tethering...

Steve

stevebrot · 09-18-2015, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by RGlasel

Which statement?

I think he might be referring to the unsubstantiated one. (Sorry, could not resist

)

Steve

stevebrot · 09-18-2015, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by Pioneer

It would be nice if Pentax could make their cameras focus fast enough to catch up with the football team in action.

I thought they were trying to catch up with Nikon and Canon.

Originally posted by Krizu

What's really concerning is that kenspo, probably the only guy here who relies on pentax gear to feed his family is pissed because of the delay.

Don't forget Lauren...

Steve

totsmuyco · 09-18-2015, 07:33 PM

With current pull out of defective K-3IIs and the K-3 mirror flap issue, Pentax is probably making sure that they give the FF lovers a trouble free camera. Pentax cannot afford bad publicity with such issues on their FF products (cameras and lenses). As a matter of fact these issues shouldn't be present in any of their cameras. For whatever reason they have, they should come out with a worry free camera and it should come out on the promised date.

Allison · 09-18-2015, 07:39 PM

Originally posted by Krizu

What's really concerning is that kenspo, probably the only guy here who relies on pentax gear to feed his family is pissed because of the delay.

There is more than one person on here who uses Pentax gear for their income.

And while I would have liked FF in October, I value quality more. If they need a few more months to get it right, then fine. It is not like I would magically make more money if I had a FF in Nov or Dec instead for Apeil or May.

mee · 09-18-2015, 07:43 PM

Originally posted by RonHendriks1966

Well this is no surprise to me. They had nothing and I still think don't have the tool to make shake reduction work for the bigger and heavier sensor module. Maybe Sony wouldn't sell it to the little Pentax.

Is this the start of the end? I don't know, but I sold almost all my Pentax gear 3 months ago.

Did you sell the FA31 that you won here?

noelpolar · 09-18-2015, 07:57 PM

Well, I decided the 150-450 was likely to add more enjoyment day to day for me so I got that earlier in the week. Good call by the looks.

**monochrome** · 09-18-2015, 08:08 PM

asahi man stands by his October date for a FF Press release. All following within the last 20 hours.

"Maybe more next week. There is a Information release for the pentaxians and in october more for public. That´s still the plan. Best regards"

"Pentax is talking officially about the LAUNCH in spring. Best regards"

"When I see the reactions of Pentax during the lot's of talks about this new system,I think it will be the new heart of Pentax,above the glorious 645 system. Best regards"

"That's the plan. First press release October. Last information about this is from July. Best regards"

"It's official,this year we get first informations and a new glass. Best regards"

Shanti · 09-18-2015, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by noelpolar

Well, I decided the 150-450 was likely to add more enjoyment day to day for me so I got that earlier in the week. Good call by the looks.

Yes great lens,made for FF & if it takes a few more months to get the FF to have state of the art AF-C,then worth the wait!!

mee · 09-18-2015, 08:20 PM

This is turning into Duke Nukem Forever.. just hope it doesn't end as such!

I certainly hope for their sake.

That said, since we have a moment more.. I think one of two things occurred (or both).. 1) Either Ricoh decided to upgrade the sensor to meet the change in the market OR 2) the core lenses were not going to be ready in time and they wanted to release them simultaneously. OR (both) the lenses weren't ready so they delayed the body and, as a result, they decided to upgrade the sensor as it was going to be 'outdated' by the time of its release. Either way it looks like they were shooting for a 2015 release and just recently realized, for whatever reason, it wasn't going to happen.

What a drama.

**monochrome** · 09-18-2015, 08:23 PM

Originally posted by mee

This is turning into Duke Nukem Forever.. just hope it doesn't end as such!

I certainly hope for their sake.

That said, since we have a moment more.. I think one of two things occurred (or both).. 1) Either Ricoh decided to upgrade the sensor to meet the change in the market OR 2) the core lenses were not going to be ready in time and they wanted to release them simultaneously. OR (both) the lenses weren't ready so they delayed the body and, as a result, they decided to upgrade the sensor as it was going to be 'outdated' by the time of its release. Either way it looks like they were shooting for a 2015 release and just recently realized, for whatever reason, it wasn't going to happen.

What a drama.

All perfectly legit - and if we hadn't had dashed rumor after dashed rumor (which Pentax never supported under any ownership) for a decade before last winter this would be the first FF delay.

Jeebus - WendyB had us going for months!

Uluru · 09-18-2015, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by monochrome

asahi man stands by his October date for a FF Press release. All following within the last 20 hours.

"Maybe more next week. There is a Information release for the pentaxians and in october more for public. That´s still the plan. Best regards"

"Pentax is talking officially about the LAUNCH in spring. Best regards"

"When I see the reactions of Pentax during the lot's of talks about this new system,I think it will be the new heart of Pentax,above the glorious 645 system. Best regards"

"That's the plan. First press release October. Last information about this is from July. Best regards"

"It's official,this year we get first informations and a new glass. Best regards"

In summary, Asahiman knows it all (?), and the official info from February — market release end of 2015 — could have been disregarded as early as July.

So can we sync this information and come to a conclusion that Ricoh lied all this time: they knew they cannot make it by the end of 2015. If they knew it few months after the official statement, they knew it all along because a company must know its contingencies and take the worst as the guideline.

So, kick the ball until late September, then throw a bone again into the Spring of 2016 backyard, buy more time. If they told it straight away, that the release will be more than 14 months away, people would simply ignore the whole thing. This in translation tells they did not even touch the FF before the 645Z was launched, which was beginning of summer 2014; all they had in February was a plastic mockup — not even a real one.

Three things never changes: politics, lies, and Pentax desperately hoping for a Hail Mary pass. That is exactly what they are doing now.

anthony mazzeri · 09-18-2015, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by ogl

don't we think that the shape of prism looks a bit strange...?
or it's just design

Looks just like the Df one.

09-18-2015, 07:33 PM	#261
totsmuyco Pentaxian Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iloilo City Photos: Gallery Posts: 2,276	With current pull out of defective K-3IIs and the K-3 mirror flap issue, Pentax is probably making sure that they give the FF lovers a trouble free camera. Pentax cannot afford bad publicity with such issues on their FF products (cameras and lenses). As a matter of fact these issues shouldn't be present in any of their cameras. For whatever reason they have, they should come out with a worry free camera and it should come out on the promised date. Last edited by totsmuyco; 09-18-2015 at 07:35 PM. Reason: Spelling

09-18-2015, 08:24 PM	#269
Uluru Banned Join Date: May 2010 Location: Back to my Walkabout Creek Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 2,535	Originally posted by monochrome asahi man stands by his October date for a FF Press release. All following within the last 20 hours. "Maybe more next week. There is a Information release for the pentaxians and in october more for public. That´s still the plan. Best regards" "Pentax is talking officially about the LAUNCH in spring. Best regards" "When I see the reactions of Pentax during the lot's of talks about this new system,I think it will be the new heart of Pentax,above the glorious 645 system. Best regards" "That's the plan. First press release October. Last information about this is from July. Best regards" "It's official,this year we get first informations and a new glass. Best regards" In summary, Asahiman knows it all (?), and the official info from February — market release end of 2015 — could have been disregarded as early as July. So can we sync this information and come to a conclusion that Ricoh lied all this time: they knew they cannot make it by the end of 2015. If they knew it few months after the official statement, they knew it all along because a company must know its contingencies and take the worst as the guideline. So, kick the ball until late September, then throw a bone again into the Spring of 2016 backyard, buy more time. If they told it straight away, that the release will be more than 14 months away, people would simply ignore the whole thing. This in translation tells they did not even touch the FF before the 645Z was launched, which was beginning of summer 2014; all they had in February was a plastic mockup — not even a real one. Three things never changes: politics, lies, and Pentax desperately hoping for a Hail Mary pass. That is exactly what they are doing now. Last edited by Uluru; 09-18-2015 at 08:42 PM.

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09-18-2015, 04:05 PM	#256
btnapa Pentaxian Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 1,615	Originally posted by cfraz Well, duh! It's obvious now that Ricoh's plan all along was simply to piss you off. But who knew way back when they bought Pentax? If I had known then, I would have called Ricoh and worked out a deal to guarantee that I piss you off (and btw, what an incredibly inane phase that is) 1000 times better than Ricoh have done for tons less money. Ricoh could have saved themselves $100M and I'd be set for life! Missed my big chance. Yeh. Don't fall sleep behind the wheel next time so you don't miss your chance. Aside from the fact that it is dangerous.

09-18-2015, 06:14 PM	#257
derekkite Pentaxian Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Nelson B.C. Posts: 3,782	Welcome to the brutal world of internet sales and marketing. Nikon delayed the release of a lens this year by 6-8 months, the 300 f4 with the new lens tech. Canon delayed their 100-400 v2 or whatever it was called for that long. The end results were very nice, they needed a bit of time to sort out stuff. Obviously both companies are about to go out of business, lens sales and manufacturing spun off. A k3 shutter flutter, k3ii off button, 150-450 zoom seize. I suspect they could see a chart of sales going down when these issues became known, and then as they were sorted out the sales maybe going up, maybe not. Get it right, make it reliable. I'll wait.

09-18-2015, 06:40 PM	#258
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by LaurenOE For my K3, how about... 1080p/60 1080p clean HDMI out. Tweak the bit rate a bit. Those three could get me to the spring. Give us SOMETHING. You forgot USB tethering... Steve

09-18-2015, 06:42 PM	#259
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by RGlasel Which statement? I think he might be referring to the unsubstantiated one. (Sorry, could not resist ) Steve

09-18-2015, 06:46 PM	#260
stevebrot Otis Memorial Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Vancouver (USA) Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 42,007	Originally posted by Pioneer It would be nice if Pentax could make their cameras focus fast enough to catch up with the football team in action. I thought they were trying to catch up with Nikon and Canon. Originally posted by Krizu What's really concerning is that kenspo, probably the only guy here who relies on pentax gear to feed his family is pissed because of the delay. Don't forget Lauren... Steve

09-18-2015, 07:39 PM	#262
Allison Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 667	Originally posted by Krizu What's really concerning is that kenspo, probably the only guy here who relies on pentax gear to feed his family is pissed because of the delay. There is more than one person on here who uses Pentax gear for their income. And while I would have liked FF in October, I value quality more. If they need a few more months to get it right, then fine. It is not like I would magically make more money if I had a FF in Nov or Dec instead for Apeil or May.

09-18-2015, 07:43 PM	#263
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	Originally posted by RonHendriks1966 Well this is no surprise to me. They had nothing and I still think don't have the tool to make shake reduction work for the bigger and heavier sensor module. Maybe Sony wouldn't sell it to the little Pentax. Is this the start of the end? I don't know, but I sold almost all my Pentax gear 3 months ago. Did you sell the FA31 that you won here?

09-18-2015, 07:57 PM	#264
noelpolar Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Goolwa, SA Photos: Gallery Posts: 4,310	Well, I decided the 150-450 was likely to add more enjoyment day to day for me so I got that earlier in the week. Good call by the looks.

09-18-2015, 08:08 PM	#265
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	asahi man stands by his October date for a FF Press release. All following within the last 20 hours. "Maybe more next week. There is a Information release for the pentaxians and in october more for public. That´s still the plan. Best regards" "Pentax is talking officially about the LAUNCH in spring. Best regards" "When I see the reactions of Pentax during the lot's of talks about this new system,I think it will be the new heart of Pentax,above the glorious 645 system. Best regards" "That's the plan. First press release October. Last information about this is from July. Best regards" "It's official,this year we get first informations and a new glass. Best regards"

09-18-2015, 08:15 PM	#266
Shanti Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Western Denmark Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 927	Originally posted by noelpolar Well, I decided the 150-450 was likely to add more enjoyment day to day for me so I got that earlier in the week. Good call by the looks. Yes great lens,made for FF & if it takes a few more months to get the FF to have state of the art AF-C,then worth the wait!!

09-18-2015, 08:20 PM	#267
mee Veteran Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 7,403	This is turning into Duke Nukem Forever.. just hope it doesn't end as such! I certainly hope for their sake. That said, since we have a moment more.. I think one of two things occurred (or both).. 1) Either Ricoh decided to upgrade the sensor to meet the change in the market OR 2) the core lenses were not going to be ready in time and they wanted to release them simultaneously. OR (both) the lenses weren't ready so they delayed the body and, as a result, they decided to upgrade the sensor as it was going to be 'outdated' by the time of its release. Either way it looks like they were shooting for a 2015 release and just recently realized, for whatever reason, it wasn't going to happen. What a drama.

09-18-2015, 08:23 PM	#268
monochrome Loyal Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Working From Home Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 26,276	Originally posted by mee This is turning into Duke Nukem Forever.. just hope it doesn't end as such! I certainly hope for their sake. That said, since we have a moment more.. I think one of two things occurred (or both).. 1) Either Ricoh decided to upgrade the sensor to meet the change in the market OR 2) the core lenses were not going to be ready in time and they wanted to release them simultaneously. OR (both) the lenses weren't ready so they delayed the body and, as a result, they decided to upgrade the sensor as it was going to be 'outdated' by the time of its release. Either way it looks like they were shooting for a 2015 release and just recently realized, for whatever reason, it wasn't going to happen. What a drama. All perfectly legit - and if we hadn't had dashed rumor after dashed rumor (which Pentax never supported under any ownership) for a decade before last winter this would be the first FF delay. Jeebus - WendyB had us going for months!

09-18-2015, 08:26 PM	#270
anthony mazzeri Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Photos: Albums Posts: 312	Originally posted by ogl don't we think that the shape of prism looks a bit strange...? or it's just design Looks just like the Df one.