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10-03-2015, 03:51 PM   #256
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QuoteOriginally posted by gazonk Quote
I saw a Tamron 24-70 in a shop today. Now that's a big chunk of glass!
Yup. I use it with my canon eos 1v (still no canon digital equip here). The pictures come out great - I bet the pentax version will be too. The weight and size in orders in magnitude more than my K3.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Matthew Saville Quote
Yes, I had this exact discussion here when I tested / reviewed the K-3. I found its interface nice, and with familiarity it really does work well. However I still found it not as customizable and adaptable as Nikon's prosumer and pro cameras. Nikon puts more effort into allowing advanced customization of both menus and physical buttons, in areas that most all others do not. (Including Canon, by the way)

Part of this is obviously entirely subjective, because it does have a lot to do with familiarity, and how people's brains / shooting habits are wired. I'll be the first to admit that.

However, I maintain that it is indeed possible for one camera / system's customizability and interface to actually, quantitatively be at an advantage over another, definitely beyond the ambiguity of personal preference.

For example on prosumer Nikons, face-detection is built into the image playback so with the twirl of a command dial it can scroll from face to face at 100% zoom, allowing portrait photographers to verify sharpness / blinking with incredible speed that saves quite a few seconds per click while on the job.

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You're most likely right. I've never been into it enough to judge about advanced customization, I flew way before (again this was on low-mid range cams).
I was more specifically speaking about buttons, rings and in general how easy it is to find a specific feature you wanna change (when not knowing the cam): Nikons are disaster (IMO). Canon low end I dunno. Canon 5D etc. I don't like but at least I can find my way in there.

That Nikon face-detection you mention is quite nice IMO. Not essential but that could be of some use.
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I rarely go into the menus when I'm shooting. I've got the user modes set up for a variety of shooting situations, the other modes keep the last settings, and buttons change the things I need to change on the fly.

Do any of the others need menu access for common shooting adjustments?
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QuoteOriginally posted by thibs Quote
Nikon's interface superiority?
I dunno about their high end cams but D3xxx to D7000 (7100/7200 I dunno), their interface laughable, badly designed and without any apparent logic (to me).
Yes is this strongly subjective

I hope (for the owners) their D700+ cams are better thought.


It's not THAT subjective.


I picked up a 3500 or 5500 at Best Buy one day and spent about 10 minutes trying to figure out how to adjust the shutter and aperture in manual mode. I've been a pro photographer for over 30 years. THAT's a BAD INTERFACE. Nothing subjective about that.


On the other hand, the D810 is almost as good as a K5...

10-06-2015, 07:22 AM   #260
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QuoteOriginally posted by Qwntm Quote
It's not THAT subjective.


I picked up a 3500 or 5500 at Best Buy one day and spent about 10 minutes trying to figure out how to adjust the shutter and aperture in manual mode. I've been a pro photographer for over 30 years. THAT's a BAD INTERFACE. Nothing subjective about that.


On the other hand, the D810 is almost as good as a K5...
10 minutes is the perfect amount of time to get extremely frustrated with ANY camera that is slightly foreign to you.

Believe it or not, but pretty much ALL of the major brand beginner cameras have had only one command dial for about 10 years now. The annoying-ness with which you change aperture and shutter in manual mode is present in all of those budget cameras, both Canon and Nikon.

For anyone who has been using such cameras at all in the last decade, then, it eventually does become a no-brainer / second nature type thing, by the way. All you have to do is shoot with the camera for 10 days, instead of 10 minutes.

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QuoteOriginally posted by derekkite Quote
I rarely go into the menus when I'm shooting. I've got the user modes set up for a variety of shooting situations, the other modes keep the last settings, and buttons change the things I need to change on the fly.

Do any of the others need menu access for common shooting adjustments?
I wouldn't call them common shooting adjustments, but I do incessantly / frequently change things such as White Balance Tint (not just Temp) and other in-camera processing related settings. I also shoot in a team of wedding photographers, so we are incessantly needing to synchronize our camera clocks. I also frequently use my camera's built-in intervalometer, and for general timelapse shooting I create new folders in-camera for each timelapse, I turn off the "auto image review", etc. etc.

Suffice it to say there are at least a dozen menu items I use almost every time I shoot, things that could not possibly be put directly on a button, or saved to a custom setting mode.

But like I said, I wouldn't call what I do "common". I'll freely admit to being a quirky OCD weirdo whose input you should only take with a large grain of salt.

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QuoteOriginally posted by Matthew Saville Quote
Believe it or not, but pretty much ALL of the major brand beginner cameras have had only one command dial for about 10 years now. The annoying-ness with which you change aperture and shutter in manual mode is present in all of those budget cameras, both Canon and Nikon.
Pentax changed that with the K30 about three and a half years ago
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QuoteOriginally posted by FantasticMrFox Quote
Pentax changed that with the K30 about three and a half years ago
Indeed, Pentax has been doing dual command dials almost the whole time, in more of their DSLRs than any other, from the *ist D to the K10D etc.

Of course considering their feature set, compared to say, the K100D, I'm sure those cameras might compete more directly with some advanced amateur models from Canon or Nikon, like the D80 / 10D which did have dual command dials. However considering their prices and overall value, I still feel comfortable comparing the dual-command dial Pentax cameras to the more basic Canikons that lacked that functionality, as well as many other things that left the Canikon beginner bodies relatively crippled for at leats a good ~5 year period.

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Hi guys,
the first 3 commercial copies of this lens shipped to France just arrived today.
It might well be i can try one very soon...
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My final copy has arrived too..I just need to pick it up..lol
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
My final copy has arrived too..I just need to pick it up..lol
I've always found the use of the word "copy" in this context a bit strange, but if that's how it, then so be it.

When time permits, could you put yours in a copier and make a copy for me, please? I'll send shipping costs in advance. Please advise.

Thanks.
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my final copy, version what ever. You know what i ment. English isn't my native language. I can start write norwegian, danish or swedish from now on
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
my final copy, version what ever. You know what i ment. English isn't my native language. I can start write norwegian, danish or swedish from now on
I ska tru om dæ græie å gugle oversættelse vis me pratæ brætt ? HÆ?
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
my final copy, version what ever. You know what i ment. English isn't my native language. I can start write norwegian, danish or swedish from now on
Ha, I think "copy" is just fine. Maybe bxf meant that it just sounds funny, rather than incorrect. I think most people would say "my first copy of the lens was soft, but not the second."

I have nothing but respect (and gratitude, frankly) for all the non-native English speakers on this forum. We'd be poorer without you all!
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
my final copy, version what ever. You know what i ment. English isn't my native language. I can start write norwegian, danish or swedish from now on
I think @bxf was making a joke. 'Copy' as a noun versus 'copy' as a verb. Your usage was correct. Copy implies a specific item, version implies a subset of a particular model that can contain more than one copy.

Is English anyone's native language? Seems to just be a collection of ever changing loan words whose meanings change over time. And no, please no Norwegian or Swedish. I have enough trouble understanding English or whatever version of it is being used at the time.
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