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10-09-2015, 04:50 PM   #481
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Its the back 1/3 of the 150-450

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Or maybe 1/4...
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Looking at the 150-450, could be just a tad short of 1/2.
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Indeed. If that had been the case in the 1930's and 40's, you would have grown up speaking German.
And I speak English as a second language.

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QuoteOriginally posted by D1N0 Quote
They had a choice between German and Turkish in Greece.
And we made a choice for English. ( there was a civil war after world war 2 in Greece 50000 dead at least because... some wanted USA to be the boss others the Soviet Union, personally I envy the Swiss)

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Manufacturers are free to charge whatever they wish, wherever they wish. As for national economic decoupling... are you suggesting the USA should buy nothing from and sell nothing to other countries? That would be rather radical, counter-productive, and wholly unworkable. Heck, Canada and the USA sell to each other as if it was a single market.
I don't think Pentax made any money at all in USA with all the discounts in the past years.

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And I speak English as a second language.
English is my second language also. American is my first. Canadian my third and Australian my fourth. I also have a good foundation in Texan, which like Quebec, many residents believe should not be a part of their mother country.
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I don't think Pentax made any money at all in USA with all the discounts in the past years.
Some of that depends on whose attic was being emptied. I saw lots and lots of used-like-new cameras sold off (including my K-30, which came from KEH). I doubt if most of those came from Pentax. I'm willing to believe that some of the new ones came from Pentax's warehouses, but others may have come from middlemen or the actual seller. Even if Pentax sold some at a loss, they freed up warehouse space and gained cash. I'm thinking that Pentax is in a stronger position because of all of this.
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I don't think Pentax made any money at all in USA with all the discounts in the past years.
Don't forget prices were raised dramatically first. I think Hoya raised them back before the purchase and then Ricoh raised them again later. But I might be off on the timing on that. But suggested prices now are much higher than they were and the discounted prices more in line with what pricing was before the increases.

Of course that does not mean things were too cheap to make a profit before.
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Don't forget prices were raised dramatically first. I think Hoya raised them back before the purchase and then Ricoh raised them again later. But I might be off on the timing on that. But suggested prices now are much higher than they were and the discounted prices more in line with what pricing was before the increases.

Of course that does not mean things were too cheap to make a profit before.
The price rise coinsided with the huge slump of US Dollar and later the Euro and rise of JPY on currency markets. It has affected all manufacturers.

Since USD and to some extend the Euro had caught up, buying from Japan isn't as expensive as it was in the peak years.

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The price rise coinsided with the huge slump of US Dollar and later the Euro and rise of JPY on currency markets. It has affected all manufacturers. Since USD and to some extend the Euro had caught up, buying from Japan isn't as expensive as it was in the peak years.
So pricing should be going back down in USD? International currency exchange is not an area I have much experience in but if the huge price hikes were caused by exchange rates, now that the dollar is stronger again should not things be going the other way?
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So pricing should be going back down in USD? International currency exchange is not an area I have much experience in but if the huge price hikes were caused by exchange rates, now that the dollar is stronger again should not things be going the other way?
I don't know their cash flow so I can not give a real answer, but I don't think that they price high on a whim. The market on USA is a high volume low margin compared to most of the world. If people in america prefer to buy the iphone 6s for example, there is no point for the camera manufacturers to sell at a loss to the few camera buyers left. Don't forget USA bought a lot DSLRs per capita compared to the rest of the world.

I do not believe that there will be another boom in photography, the film to digital transition was the final frontier.

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Sony announced that they intent to spin off their image sensor business. At least they remember to sell high. Bad news for smartphones in generall the market is oversaturated. I wonder if full frame is viable as a niche as Nikon decided, if cameras can sell for 2000 dollars average, as Nikon wants, I could be very wrong about my predictions.
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QuoteOriginally posted by macTak Quote
Here we go...

Edit: Comparison of MTF.

Pentax:



Canon:



Nikon:



Finally, it's interesting to note that it is an SDM lens, not a DC lens, and that the press release describes it as a "new-generation SDM".
Would someone be so kind as to explain, in layman's terms, what these graphs actually mean?

I'm not being cheeky, just curious what they actually tell us about the Pentax lens, in comparison to the others....

Forgive my ignorance, I'm not quite the boffin that some of you are

Thanks in advance.

P.S. I agree with those who think this lens is a good move from Ricoh/Pentax. Someone at Ricoh has their head screwed on! I was a little surprised to see it wasn't a D FA *, but on reflection it makes perfect sense to offer a (relatively) affordable general walk-around lens from the outset (they're right, I was wrong). It saves them development time and resources in a product segment that is already quite saturated, brings down the 'cost of admission' to those who might still be on the fence (ie makes the FF system more sellable), and from all accounts will be a perfectly reasonable performer. Mayhaps they'll design their own D FA* version if/when the FF system takes off, but it makes sense not to over-invest this early in proceedings. Bravo on another good move Ricoh.

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English is my second language also. American is my first. Canadian my third and Australian my fourth. I also have a good foundation in Texan, which like Quebec, many residents believe should not be a part of their mother country.
So chuffed you took the time to learn 'strayan mate!
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it is HUGE!
it's a full format f/2.8 zoom, you didn't expect it to be the same size as the DA15mm f/4 did you?
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it's a full format f/2.8 zoom, you didn't expect it to be the same size as the DA15mm f/4 did you?
No...they expected it to be the same size as an FA-series kit zoom from the '90s.* These fast zooms are a fairly recent phenomenon and all of them pay the price of the constant aperture, extended wide end range, in-lens AF motor, and well-corrected optics.

Choose three:
  • Small/light
  • Fast maximum aperture
  • In-lens AF
  • Superb build
  • Moderate price

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* I have two 90s-vintage Tamron Adaptall-2 70-210 lenses on my shelf. One is the highly regarded and very substantial 19AH (constant f/3.5, all metal, SP designation). The other is the compact, light and poorly regarded 158A (f/4-5.6, plastic and sort of nasty plastic at that). The SP cost me 10x that of its plastic little brother and I have not yet decided whether the SP performs 10x better. Oh, well.
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QuoteOriginally posted by stevebrot Quote
These fast zooms are a fairly recent phenomenon and all of them pay the price of the constant aperture, extended wide end range, in-lens AF motor, and well-corrected optics.
You think I didn't already know this? I own a few of them for Canon and Nikon DSLRs.
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QuoteOriginally posted by Digitalis Quote
it's a full format f/2.8 zoom, you didn't expect it to be the same size as the DA15mm f/4 did you?
Well. I did put an:
After my sentense, not

So I suppose that I was not REALLY surprised. Or maybe I was. You have already figures that out.

Anyway. No.

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