Lens Roadmap Updated

D1N0 · 09-28-2015, 08:11 AM

I guess I'll be more than happy with my primes on the FF. For zoom I have a FA 28-70 F4 and a 28-105 F4-5.6 and a manual A 35-105 F3.5. and a Tamron 70-300. Not worrying about zooms here.

Zygonyx · 09-28-2015, 08:11 AM

Hum, i don't really get your last excuse speculation Greg

normhead · 09-28-2015, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Some of us would like to see a Pentax equivalent to that 24-120 Nikkor or the Canon 24-105 L.

This line of thinking is fraught with danger. Even if Pentax produced a 24-120 ƒ4, there's no guarantee you'd like it. If you're hoping Pentax is going to do everything Nikkor and canon did, it's simply not going to happen.

If you really like those lenses, why not just buy it and use it? That would b my advice. Thinking "I want Pentax to produce the lens i want." That's simply not a productive use of time.

But you do raise an interesting point, my DA*60-250, (why don't canon and Nikkor make one of those, I wish they would, it's one of my favourite lenses) the front element is 67mm, on my Vivitar M 135 is ƒ2.8 and 55 mm. I could probably have a 2.4 70 with that size of from element. What is this thing with constant aperture, and why is it a good thing. If I'm carrying enough glass to give me 60mm ƒ2.4, why shouldn't I have that? These lenses are a rip-off. Essentially they've given you the smallest possible aperture available to the longest focal length. How would giving me 60 ƒ2.4 to 250 ƒ4, not be better than that, I don't get it personally. Why is that a good thing? At least with my 18-135 I get ƒ3.5 at the wide end and 5.6 at the long end, I'm using the full capacity of the glass I paid for.

jk333 · 09-28-2015, 09:03 AM

Originally posted by rawr

The whole 17-70 APS-C/24-105 FF range is very useful for events and walkabout shooting. I particularly look forward to shooting my A 35-105 f3.5 on Pentax FF.

That's the same as the 24-90 on crop sensor, which exists. Just, fyi.

Edit - in terms of FOV, not aperature or format, of course. Colors are really nice on it though, too!

Winder · 09-28-2015, 09:06 AM

Originally posted by normhead

This line of thinking is fraught with danger. Even if Pentax produced a 24-120 ƒ4, there's no guarantee you'd like it. If you're hoping Pentax is going to do everything Nikkor and canon did, it's simply not going to happen.

If you really like those lenses, why not just buy it and use it? That would b my advice. Thinking "I want Pentax to produce the lens i want." That's simply not a productive use of time.

Norm, if you would check the Pentax road map you would see that the 24-104mm is there.

Pentax is going to do most of the things that Canon and Nikon are doing. Canon and Nikon are trying to make cameras and lenses that people want to buy, and Ricoh happens to be trying to do the same thing. So, yes. it is going to happen. Ricoh is just copying what Canon and Nikon are doing. They will make the lens for the same reason Sigma makes a 24-104mm. They will make the lens because it will sell well and make them money.

Kunzite · 09-28-2015, 09:13 AM

You mean the 28-105-ish?

pathdoc · 09-28-2015, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Winder

Norm, if you would check the Pentax road map you would see that the 24-104mm is there.

Originally posted by Kunzite:

You mean the 28-105-ish?

The "mid twenties to somewhere just north of a hundred" is there - at least outside of Ricoh's development labs, the exact focal lengths are for the time being the province of the pixel-peepers and debates about margins of error.

**Digitalis** · 09-29-2015, 12:12 AM - **2 Likes**

Originally posted by ogl

28-135/3.5-5.6

Great, a consumer level slow as hell zoom..

banep · 09-29-2015, 03:41 AM

Originally posted by Digitalis

Great, a consumer level slow as hell zoom..

Actually it is 24-135 or 28-105 depending on which plugin are you using

If Firefox it is 24-135, in Chrome it is 28-105.
Anyway 28-135 is not an option.
Regarding aperture I am not expecting to be that slow, but even in that case it is not so terrible. Pros will have 24-70 f/2.8.
My expectations for appertures are in case of 24-135 to be in 3.5-4.5 range and in case of 28-105 could be constant aperture of f/4.
That is reasonable compromise and also excellent kit lens for next cheaper ff body.
28-105 f/2.8 could be possible but I think that Ricoh while planning that lens had consumer population in their mind.
24-135 f/2.8 is just a theory because it will be a huge and heavy monster. Probably bigger and heavier than D-FA 70-200 f/2.8.

D1N0 · 09-29-2015, 03:57 AM

Originally posted by banep

Actually it is 24-135 or 28-105 depending on which plugin are you using

If Firefox it is 24-135, in Chrome it is 28-105.
Anyway 28-135 is not an option.
Regarding aperture I am not expecting to be that slow, but even in that case it is not so terrible. Pros will have 24-70 f/2.8.
My expectations for appertures are in case of 24-135 to be in 3.5-4.5 range and in case of 28-105 could be constant aperture of f/4.
That is reasonable compromise and also excellent kit lens for next cheaper ff body.
28-105 f/2.8 could be possible but I think that Ricoh while planning that lens had consumer population in their mind.
24-135 f/2.8 is just a theory because it will be a huge and heavy monster. Probably bigger and heavier than D-FA 70-200 f/2.8.

only firefox shows a longer range. Chrome doesn't but acrobat or photoshop also don't. Something about the rendering of the gradient I think.

top acrobat, bottom firefox:

**Digitalis** · 09-29-2015, 04:05 AM

Originally posted by banep

24-135 f/2.8

A lens like that would be the same diameter and roughly half the length of the 150-450mm f/4.5-5.6

Ideally it will be a constant 24~120mm F/4

H. Sapiens · 09-29-2015, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

only firefox shows a longer range. Chrome doesn't but acrobat or photoshop also don't. Something about the rendering of the gradient I think.

Oh my ... now you have to establish what software they use over in Japan! Sorry guys, don't want to offend or anything - I suppose we all have our quirks - but can't you see this is getting out of control when you are down to pixel peeping charts in different browsers to determine if a future lens might be 5 mm longer or not :-)

D1N0 · 09-29-2015, 04:09 AM

When Pentax persists in emulating Canonikon it will be a 24-105/120/135) Wide angle is more important than tele range. maybe 3.5 4.5 maybe F4 constant. @H. Sapiens. 24 or 28 and whether it has a constant aperture or not will determine whether it is a Canonikon competitor or a budget friendlier consumer lens. I

Winder · 09-29-2015, 04:42 AM

Originally posted by D1N0

When Pentax persists in emulating Canonikon it will be a 24-105/120/135) Wide angle is more important than tele range. maybe 3.5 4.5 maybe F4 constant. @H. Sapiens. 24 or 28 and whether it has a constant aperture or not will determine whether it is a Canonikon competitor or a budget friendlier consumer lens. I

What if they simply have Sigma rebadge the 24-105 F/4 ART lens. The Sigma 24-105mm ART was out of stock for all mounts earlier this year and rumor was Sigma had discontinued it, but what if it was out of stock because Sigma was making a run of rebadged K-mount lenses.

Mistral75 · 09-29-2015, 04:42 AM

Make it a 24-90mm f/2.8-4, call it Vario-Elmarit-SL 1:2.8-4/24-90 Asph. and announce it on October 20th!

09-28-2015, 08:54 AM	#33
normhead Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Near Algonquin Park Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 40,451	Quote: Some of us would like to see a Pentax equivalent to that 24-120 Nikkor or the Canon 24-105 L. This line of thinking is fraught with danger. Even if Pentax produced a 24-120 ƒ4, there's no guarantee you'd like it. If you're hoping Pentax is going to do everything Nikkor and canon did, it's simply not going to happen. If you really like those lenses, why not just buy it and use it? That would b my advice. Thinking "I want Pentax to produce the lens i want." That's simply not a productive use of time. But you do raise an interesting point, my DA60-250, (why don't canon and Nikkor make one of those, I wish they would, it's one of my favourite lenses) the front element is 67mm, on my Vivitar M 135 is ƒ2.8 and 55 mm. I could probably have a 2.4 70 with that size of from element. What is this thing with constant aperture, and why is it a good thing. If I'm carrying enough glass to give me 60mm ƒ2.4, why shouldn't I have that? These lenses are a rip-off. Essentially they've given you the smallest possible aperture available to the longest focal length. How would giving me 60 ƒ2.4 to 250 ƒ4, not be better than that, I don't get it personally. Why is that a good thing? At least with my 18-135 I get ƒ3.5 at the wide end and 5.6 at the long end, I'm using the full capacity of the glass I paid for. Last edited by normhead; 09-28-2015 at 09:07 AM.*

09-29-2015, 03:57 AM	#40
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	Originally posted by banep Actually it is 24-135 or 28-105 depending on which plugin are you using If Firefox it is 24-135, in Chrome it is 28-105. Anyway 28-135 is not an option. Regarding aperture I am not expecting to be that slow, but even in that case it is not so terrible. Pros will have 24-70 f/2.8. My expectations for appertures are in case of 24-135 to be in 3.5-4.5 range and in case of 28-105 could be constant aperture of f/4. That is reasonable compromise and also excellent kit lens for next cheaper ff body. 28-105 f/2.8 could be possible but I think that Ricoh while planning that lens had consumer population in their mind. 24-135 f/2.8 is just a theory because it will be a huge and heavy monster. Probably bigger and heavier than D-FA 70-200 f/2.8. only firefox shows a longer range. Chrome doesn't but acrobat or photoshop also don't. Something about the rendering of the gradient I think. top acrobat, bottom firefox: Last edited by D1N0; 09-29-2015 at 04:03 AM.

09-29-2015, 04:05 AM	#41
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by banep 24-135 f/2.8 A lens like that would be the same diameter and roughly half the length of the 150-450mm f/4.5-5.6 Ideally it will be a constant 24~120mm F/4 Last edited by Digitalis; 09-29-2015 at 04:18 AM.

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09-28-2015, 08:11 AM	#31
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	I guess I'll be more than happy with my primes on the FF. For zoom I have a FA 28-70 F4 and a 28-105 F4-5.6 and a manual A 35-105 F3.5. and a Tamron 70-300. Not worrying about zooms here.

09-28-2015, 08:11 AM	#32
Zygonyx Pentaxian Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Ile de France Posts: 4,033	Hum, i don't really get your last excuse speculation Greg

09-28-2015, 09:03 AM	#34
jk333 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: bev Posts: 181	Originally posted by rawr The whole 17-70 APS-C/24-105 FF range is very useful for events and walkabout shooting. I particularly look forward to shooting my A 35-105 f3.5 on Pentax FF. That's the same as the 24-90 on crop sensor, which exists. Just, fyi. Edit - in terms of FOV, not aperature or format, of course. Colors are really nice on it though, too!

09-28-2015, 09:06 AM	#35
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by normhead This line of thinking is fraught with danger. Even if Pentax produced a 24-120 ƒ4, there's no guarantee you'd like it. If you're hoping Pentax is going to do everything Nikkor and canon did, it's simply not going to happen. If you really like those lenses, why not just buy it and use it? That would b my advice. Thinking "I want Pentax to produce the lens i want." That's simply not a productive use of time. Norm, if you would check the Pentax road map you would see that the 24-104mm is there. Pentax is going to do most of the things that Canon and Nikon are doing. Canon and Nikon are trying to make cameras and lenses that people want to buy, and Ricoh happens to be trying to do the same thing. So, yes. it is going to happen. Ricoh is just copying what Canon and Nikon are doing. They will make the lens for the same reason Sigma makes a 24-104mm. They will make the lens because it will sell well and make them money.

09-28-2015, 09:13 AM	#36
Kunzite Pentaxian Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Romania Posts: 15,132	You mean the 28-105-ish?

09-28-2015, 09:14 AM	#37
pathdoc Pentaxian Join Date: Mar 2015 Photos: Gallery \| Albums Posts: 6,381	Originally posted by Winder Norm, if you would check the Pentax road map you would see that the 24-104mm is there. Originally posted by Kunzite: You mean the 28-105-ish? The "mid twenties to somewhere just north of a hundred" is there - at least outside of Ricoh's development labs, the exact focal lengths are for the time being the province of the pixel-peepers and debates about margins of error.

09-29-2015, 12:12 AM - 2 Likes	#38
Digitalis Site Supporter Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Melbourne, Victoria Photos: Gallery Posts: 11,694	Originally posted by ogl 28-135/3.5-5.6 Great, a consumer level slow as hell zoom..

09-29-2015, 03:41 AM	#39
banep Banned Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 360	Originally posted by Digitalis Great, a consumer level slow as hell zoom.. Actually it is 24-135 or 28-105 depending on which plugin are you using If Firefox it is 24-135, in Chrome it is 28-105. Anyway 28-135 is not an option. Regarding aperture I am not expecting to be that slow, but even in that case it is not so terrible. Pros will have 24-70 f/2.8. My expectations for appertures are in case of 24-135 to be in 3.5-4.5 range and in case of 28-105 could be constant aperture of f/4. That is reasonable compromise and also excellent kit lens for next cheaper ff body. 28-105 f/2.8 could be possible but I think that Ricoh while planning that lens had consumer population in their mind. 24-135 f/2.8 is just a theory because it will be a huge and heavy monster. Probably bigger and heavier than D-FA 70-200 f/2.8.

09-29-2015, 04:08 AM	#42
H. Sapiens Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 328	Originally posted by D1N0 only firefox shows a longer range. Chrome doesn't but acrobat or photoshop also don't. Something about the rendering of the gradient I think. Oh my ... now you have to establish what software they use over in Japan! Sorry guys, don't want to offend or anything - I suppose we all have our quirks - but can't you see this is getting out of control when you are down to pixel peeping charts in different browsers to determine if a future lens might be 5 mm longer or not :-)

09-29-2015, 04:09 AM	#43
D1N0 Pentaxian Join Date: May 2012 Location: --- Photos: Gallery Posts: 6,802	When Pentax persists in emulating Canonikon it will be a 24-105/120/135) Wide angle is more important than tele range. maybe 3.5 4.5 maybe F4 constant. @H. Sapiens. 24 or 28 and whether it has a constant aperture or not will determine whether it is a Canonikon competitor or a budget friendlier consumer lens. I

09-29-2015, 04:42 AM	#44
Winder Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Tennessee Posts: 6,617	Originally posted by D1N0 When Pentax persists in emulating Canonikon it will be a 24-105/120/135) Wide angle is more important than tele range. maybe 3.5 4.5 maybe F4 constant. @H. Sapiens. 24 or 28 and whether it has a constant aperture or not will determine whether it is a Canonikon competitor or a budget friendlier consumer lens. I What if they simply have Sigma rebadge the 24-105 F/4 ART lens. The Sigma 24-105mm ART was out of stock for all mounts earlier this year and rumor was Sigma had discontinued it, but what if it was out of stock because Sigma was making a run of rebadged K-mount lenses.

09-29-2015, 04:42 AM	#45
Mistral75 Pentaxian Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 7,527	Make it a 24-90mm f/2.8-4, call it Vario-Elmarit-SL 1:2.8-4/24-90 Asph. and announce it on October 20th!