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01-26-2016, 11:09 AM   #346
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QuoteOriginally posted by iudex Quote
I hope you are right, but according to the roadmap it seems narrower, something like 28mm, so I donīt believe in 24mm. Whether it is f4 remains to be seen, I also think an expensive FF does deserve something better than a slow variable aperture zoom.
You can't necessarily go by what you see on the roadmaps, in terms of focal length. Just look at how the DA 20-40 and the DA 150-450 were represented. No way anyone could have guessed the true focal ranges of these zooms from the roadmap.

Given some of the new rumors suggesting that the Pentax FF may retail for as low as $2,000, Pentax probably has to come out with a standard lens in the $500 range, just for those who can barely afford FF but need a standard zoom to go with it, and that's bound to be a "slow" variable aperture lens. After all, it's hard to image, realistically, a high quality DFA 24-105 f4 for much less than $1,000. If you need a fast standard zoom there's always the DFA 24-70 f2.8.

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You can't necessarily go by what you see on the roadmaps, in terms of focal length. Just look at how the DA 20-40 and the DA 150-450 were represented. No way anyone could have guessed the true focal ranges of these zooms from the roadmap.

Given some of the new rumors suggesting that the Pentax FF may retail for as low as $2,000, Pentax probably has to come out with a standard lens in the $500 range, just for those who can barely afford FF but need a standard zoom to go with it, and that's bound to be a "slow" variable aperture lens. After all, it's hard to image, realistically, a high quality DFA 24-105 f4 for much less than $1,000. If you need a fast standard zoom there's always the DFA 24-70 f2.8.
Canon 24-105 F4 is $1000 at bhphoto at this moment but you can find a lot of places sell it around $500-$600... It is usually sold as a kit lens with 5diii or 6d.

I cannot imagine for people who buy $3000 camera , demand $100 24-105 F3.5-5.6, as a much cheaper APS-C camera with any decent lens eg K50+16-50f2.8 is much better than it...

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QuoteOriginally posted by cxdoo Quote
Actually they do. APS-C lens can be made smaller and take the benefit of not needing to cover full FF circle. Also cheaper.
Given the limited production capacity and the focus on FF now, it's reasonable to say that's happening on expense of APS-C.
This is only true for WA to normal FL.
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Like this small? Sorry, couldn't help myself
nice one, should develop into a bigger wee leek by the end of Feb.

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Plenty of folks use FF lenses on their D7200 (and will on the D500) as well as on the 7D mkII.
I'm not so plenty, I'm just one, but I use FF lenses on my Pentax K5. Just counted, I have 15 lenses I do use at least occasionally (I'm not a lens collector) and two of them are APS-C DA lenses, the rest are Pentax FF. K, A, F and FA. All work fine on APS-C, nevertheless I'm looking forwards to using them on a digital Pentax FF body. And then I can also start using the two lenses I don't use on APS-C, the A 15mm and K 28mm Shift.

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I'm not so plenty, And then I can also start using the two lenses I don't use on APS-C, the A 15mm and K 28mm Shift.

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Yes, good find and very suitable for 35mm
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Personally I prefer some FF oriented zoom focal lengths better on aps-c. E.G. I would prefer to have a 24-70 2.8 on aps-c than a 16-50 2.8 - I just like it a bit longer. What I don't like is the resulting size and weight increase because the lens is designed for fullframe... and the cost therefore i'm going to stay with my aps-c zooms
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Personally I prefer some FF oriented zoom focal lengths better on aps-c. E.G. I would prefer to have a 24-70 2.8 on aps-c than a 16-50 2.8 - I just like it a bit longer. What I don't like is the resulting size and weight increase because the lens is designed for fullframe... and the cost therefore i'm going to stay with my aps-c zooms
Sounds you are a born APS-C user :-). Fuji in last several years did a wonderful jobs in APS-C world as it delivered a lot of high quality APS-C lenses, I mean, APS-C mount and Fast aps-c lenses... Fuji is a very ambitious company as it is rumored to deliver compact mirrorless medium format camera soon...

Anyway, I think in last several years Ricoh/Pentax had shifted a lot of efforts to 645Z and AF part, instead of developing new lenses. A lot of new patents recently released are focused on AF. K1 will be a AF monster! Let's wait and see!


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Sounds you are a born APS-C user :-)
well yes, I am but i'm curious what makes you think so? Because I prefer longer focal lengths? I would like to think i'd prefer longer lenses on FF, like a 35-105 rather than a 24-70...
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well yes, I am but i'm curious what makes you think so? Because I prefer longer focal lengths? I would like to think i'd prefer longer lenses on FF, like a 35-105 rather than a 24-70...
I am too. It is not easy to use wide angle as it needs more careful composition in many situations. I like FA 31mm on APS-C...
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It is not easy to use wide angle as it needs more careful composition in many situations.
huh, i've never thought of it that way!
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neither did i.
To the contrary, i think wide angle do help in composition, because it gives you better perspectives and thus allows more original framings.
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I think they should bring back the idea of the 50mm prime as kit lens. Revise the DA 50 1.8 or even the DFA* 55 1.4 and make it the new kit-lens for the K-1...maybe I am crazy
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I think they should bring back the idea of the 50mm prime as kit lens. Revise the DA 50 1.8 or even the DFA* 55 1.4 and make it the new kit-lens for the K-1...maybe I am crazy
You are not, actually it makes sense to pair FF with standard, i.e. 50mm prime. DA 50/1,8 is APCS (though rumoured to cover FF), but FA 50mm is still relatively cheap and would pair nicely with the K-1.
However it is usual to pair a camera with a zoom kit lens for convenience and since the 24-70 is very expensive (and limited focal range), a cheaper zoom with bigger FR is inevitable. Although in this price league (2000+ USD) there is no need to make the cheapest slow f3,5-5,6 zooms and I hope Ricoh makes something better (constant f4 or at least f3,5-4,5 like the Nikon FF kit zoom).
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You are not, actually it makes sense to pair FF with standard, i.e. 50mm prime. DA 50/1,8 is APCS (though rumoured to cover FF), but FA 50mm is still relatively cheap and would pair nicely with the K-1.
However it is usual to pair a camera with a zoom kit lens for convenience and since the 24-70 is very expensive (and limited focal range), a cheaper zoom with bigger FR is inevitable. Although in this price league (2000+ USD) there is no need to make the cheapest slow f3,5-5,6 zooms and I hope Ricoh makes something better (constant f4 or at least f3,5-4,5 like the Nikon FF kit zoom).
Completely agree about the standard zoom and the 50mm prime.
AFAICT, the DA50/1.8 is nothing but an FA (or F or A or M, all the same but maybe a tweak here or there) in cheap clothing with round aperture blades.

Same with DA35/2.4, just an FA35/2 but reworked.

A modern 50/1.4 would be very appropriate, yes in kit too.
I'd opt for the zoom as I already have a couple 50's though and I doubt the olf 28-80/3.5-4.7 powerzoom would shine on an FF modern cam.
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