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01-28-2016, 04:41 AM - 1 Like   #406
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A bigger question I have is.. why would anyone pair such a fine camera body with such a crappy lens as the kit zoom? If one is spending 2 grand on the flagship camera body, it seems crazy to match it with poor optics..
Sometimes I even use the "camera" stuck in my phone. Its small and convenient, but its a huge trade off in quality, so I try to minimize that usage. A FF camera will certainly perform best with high end primes, but that doesn't make the need for a convenient camera smaller. I will always have a compromise lens for those times I just don't want to carry lots of lenses. An allrounder like the 18-135 WR are on my K-5, despite its shortcomings compared to a series of limiteds. Its convenient. That said, other times I would rather carry a collection of higher end lenses and carefully select one for each specific task.

Just like I need and want a multi tool knife despite that I have a several large toolboxes of "real" tools. The small one are convenient and good enough for some tasks.

I hope the allrounder FF lens will have WR, focus on compact size and weight, but still be optically decent with an attractive kit price. I don't mind the aperture being f/4-6,3 on a lens like this, it will still beat the socks out of a phone camera and very likely be notable better then a Pentax APS-C with the compact lens 18-50mm f/4,0-5,6 WR. But to be a versatile allrounder I want 24mm in the wide and and at least 105mm in the tele end.

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01-28-2016, 11:00 AM   #408
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01-28-2016, 11:03 AM   #409
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The EXIF for the latest sample scene [night stars] on the teaser site says:

Creator Tool: Digital Camera Utility 5 Ver.5.5.0

So that's the version of PDCU that will probably ship with the camera. Since the current version of PDCU is v5.4.2, it doesn't sound like it will represent much of an update.

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QuoteOriginally posted by iudex Quote
So the kit zoom should be optically decent and not too slow, something like 24-105/4 (many buyers would keep such lens).
I don't care if it is called a kit lens or whatever. I want an amazing 24-105 f/4.

Like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-24-105mm-USM-Lens-Cameras/dp/B000AZ57M6/ref=sr_1...is+usm+af+lens
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-24-120mm-Vibration-Reduction-Cameras/dp/B003ZSHN...on+24-120mm+f4

Maybe these are not 'kit' lenses. But on the flagship FF, these are what should be the 'kit' lens. I hope Pentax comes up with something similar. For me, and I think a lot of landscape shooters f/2.8 (and the weight that goes with it) is not needed. An optically superb f/4 is just fine.
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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
I don't care if it is called a kit lens or whatever. I want an amazing 24-105 f/4.
I doubt you will ever see such lens from Pentax

28-105/3.5-4.5 or 28-135/3.5-5.6 or 28-105/4-5.6 or even 28-200/3.5-5.6...I can believe.

24-120/4 - no...

I think FF zoom lenses till 200-300 mm will be like this

15-30/2.8 - 24-70/2.8 - 70-200/2.8

cheap versions
18-35/4-5.6 - 28-135/3.5-5.6 - 70-300/4.5-5.6

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QuoteOriginally posted by ogl Quote
I doubt you will ever see such lens from Pentax
Ok, since you say so, i will tell them to get it out of their plans.
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Ok, since you say so, i will tell them to get it out of their plans.
Ken, don't talk too much please

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QuoteOriginally posted by jatrax Quote
I don't care if it is called a kit lens or whatever. I want an amazing 24-105 f/4.

Like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Canon-24-105mm-USM-Lens-Cameras/dp/B000AZ57M6/ref=sr_1...is+usm+af+lens
Amazon.com : Nikon AF-S FX NIKKOR 24-120mm f/4G ED Vibration Reduction Zoom Lens with Auto Focus for Nikon DSLR Cameras : Camera Lenses : Electronics

Maybe these are not 'kit' lenses. But on the flagship FF, these are what should be the 'kit' lens. I hope Pentax comes up with something similar. For me, and I think a lot of landscape shooters f/2.8 (and the weight that goes with it) is not needed. An optically superb f/4 is just fine.
If your standards are so low, I bet they will be met. The Canon L is meh at best and the Nikon, is, well...
It's right on par with the DA*16-50 with the poor aspect being it's a full stop slower (so should be much easier to yield better results) and costs +40%, but still doesn't perform any better (vignetting is really bad). So price/performance wise it's half as good as the DA*16-50. And the latter already has critics.

No wonder Nikon customers are running away in huge amounts (-50% in Japan last year).

I am positive any new Pentax kit lens will outperform that.
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Ken, don't talk too much please
Hehe..will try not to..maybe
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ok, since you say so, i will tell them to get it out of their plans.
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
Ok, since you say so, i will tell them to get it out of their plans.
Don´t do that. That lens is on my wish list... ;-)
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QuoteOriginally posted by kenspo Quote
Ok, since you say so, i will tell them to get it out of their plans.
No, no please just keep quiet. Well, mostly quiet
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If your standards are so low, I bet they will be met.
Well, those are the preferred lenses of many landscape shooters I respect, but that's all I know about them. I just figured if those folks can make money shooting pretty pictures with them then they must be OK. But what do I know.

Anyway, I still have no use for a big heavy 24-70 f/2.8. I want a nice 24-105 or 115 or 120 or whatever with a constant f/4 aperture that does not weigh very much. Something with the same design philosophy as the old Pentax-F 24-50 f/4.
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Hehe..will try not to..maybe
So you are confirming a 24-105 f/4 in Pentax livery?


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A 24-105/4 is the only zoom lens for the K-1, in addition to the 150-450, that interests me (a lot BTW!). I don't need a max aperture of 2.8 in a zoom lens; rather have extra reach.
I also want a 24/1.4 for night time shooting...
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